The 2012 Civil War

November 8, 2012 99 Comments Men Lifestyle, Uncategorized

Take a look at the election map.

As a matter of fact, take a look at the last few elections and look at how the elections have panned out.

You’ve got the coasts. Coasts usually go for the Democrats.

Then you look at the interior of the country, and they are straight red states. They always go for the Bible-preaching, conservative-speaking white man, who looks like every other politician that’s ever been out there.

I’ve been reading the comments on the blog, and it’s starting to get racist.

Is this what we’re about in the country in 2012? Deep down, we’re racists?

Do you all really believe that a politician is going to save you?

Do you think that the price of gas is actually determined by a politician? One man—whether he’s black, white, yellow, purple, or red—can actually make that much difference?

We have really become a fractured country.

The coasts are full of people who live there because they enjoy the beach and like to travel.

For the middle of the country, they’ll basically take their RV and travel 100 miles and call it a vacation.

I’m not saying the middle of the country is full of ignorant people who never go anywhere. That’s not my statement. But the bottom line is we have a very conservative middle of the country.

Look at the cities in the middle of the country, look at the values.

A lot of the middle of the country is very religious-based.

And to me, religion is the business of selling fear, keeping you down, keeping you wounded, giving you eternal hope and making sure you live by some type of rules, because God forbid—oh, there’s God, I threw the word in there—you actually create your own rules and your own thoughts and your own ideology.

I’ve been all over this country and there are fabulous people everywhere. I mean, I’m talking great people in every single state.

I used to speak at the college circuit and I used to go to small, tiny, little conservative towns, and they were loving, incredible people.

But for some reason or another, we’ve become a really fractured country with very different thoughts. The people on the coast think very different than the middle of the country.

There’s nothing wrong with that. We shouldn’t all think the same way.

It’s okay if the middle of the country is full of conservative, Bible Belt, religious people who really want to believe in certain values and certain things. There’s nothing wrong with that at all.

There’s nothing wrong if the people on the coast want to travel the world, want to live in fancy little cities with lots of culture around them and could care less about borrowing sugar from their neighbor.

It’s very different everywhere and that’s what makes this country very unique.

The real issue we have is not Obama or Romney.

The real issue we have is this two-party political system. It doesn’t work. It doesn’t fit who were are as a country anymore.

All government are corrupt.

All governments spend money they don’t have.

All governments are some of the worst run businesses in the entire world.

Look at our government: if it was an actual business run by an entrepreneur, it would’ve gone out of business a long, long time ago—it would’ve gone bankrupt.

Imagine only a small neighborhood bar and all of the sudden people aren’t drinking anymore. (Well not in the U.S.—we’re a country full of alcoholics anyway.)

But imagine people are not coming in to drink. Wouldn’t it be great to just print money? It’d be fabulous.

You can turn to your manager and say, “Hey it doesn’t matter that we can’t get people in to drink our alcohol, we’ll just go print money in the back and we’ll stay open.”

That’s the real problem, that’s what the government’s been doing for years. Printing money, allowing a bad business to stay open without making changes.

It doesn’t matter if you’re a red state, a blue state, it doesn’t matter if you come from a conservative state, if you’re a religious guy, or if you’re a spiritual person.

It doesn’t matter where you live. The issue is not the differences between the states.

The real issue we have here is the system doesn’t work anymore and hasn’t worked in a long time.

It doesn’t matter if it’s Romney or Obama.

It wouldn’t matter if it was Nelson Mandela or Queen Elizabeth running this country.

The rules and regulations of the government don’t work. The government is the biggest waster of money ever.

Look at the military for instance.

Look at some of the funding the government does.

It’s a mess.

The beauty of America is that we’re all very different.

What makes me sick is when I see racist remarks. He’s a black man and that’s why it happened.

That means nothing. It’s racism that needs to die. Black, white, yellow, purple, people are all the same inside, doesn’t matter what color is on the outside.

A lot of people have different beliefs, so let’s argue the points.

The real issue is that the government is corrupt, bankrupt, and poorly run. So it doesn’t matter if it’s a black man or white man running it.

It’s the people that set this up. It’s the system that’s in place and the system is antiquated, old, and in dire need of change.

We have the Ron Pauls and the Ross Perots but they weren’t elected. They couldn’t even make it through the primaries. (The primaries: what a joke all that stuff is.)

If you look at the popular vote, it’s close to being even.

But the electoral college made it look like Obama won by a lot.

The system is wrong.

Let’s make it a popular vote so every vote counts. Wouldn’t that be fun? Wouldn’t that get people out? Wouldn’t that be better than being a red voter in a blue state like California and knowing that your vote doesn’t count.

Let’s stop focusing on the stupid details and focus on the real problem.

I’ve shared my ideas for change—what are yours?

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nick says

2012-11-15 20:27:07

But a slippery slope my friend . This is whaty we call as conservatives a "soft Tyrany" its not just a guy comming in and taking controll. Its a slow , gradual process /. What do youj think is going to happen when in 2014 the health care bill kicks in. The goverment run health care system will require that the taxpayers money is used to fund it. We just dont get money out of our asses here in america it comes from us. Our labor. We go to work , pay our bills, try to hava little fun now and then . The last time yiou went to a doctor half the time thay hust slap you on the ass , Or how about the drivers licence places . its like lines for ever there. Same thing at the doctor.
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nick says

2012-11-15 20:19:42

Hes just making fun of the comments people make in a political context. Its not as simple as hearing him say one thing or the media taking things to literaly.
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nick says

2012-11-15 20:18:04

Hey pam . If you listened to Rush limbaugh you'd know that most of the things he says are things that other people have said before, Mostly Liberals and mental patients, Whens the last time you wached SNL, Jon Stewart or this Bill Maher jerk. they are taking shots all the time you dont see people boycotting them do ya.
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nick says

2012-11-15 20:12:10

The founding fathers warned that the democratic republic that we are may not last for eternity. These men learned from all of human history about the evils of too much goverment. They were english , Think about the KINGS Henry XIII (8th) Louis XVI (16th) how they ruled by divine right , the KINGs were gods instrument on earth . The kings decided what, how, and why, The kings thought they knew best. We are not there yet our system is set up so no man has too much power. we give them temporary voice and action. But if half the country is taken in by more government . its not government its the guy with the Lable of President This guy has no idea whats going on he doescnt know his top man at the cia is fucking around possibly compromising national security , heres how by not keeping his mind on his work and his Johnson in his pants> He has no idea how 4 men were killed . He knows alot about our health care though doesnt he. If his ideas were good the Unemploymnt rate would be maybe 5 or 6 percent.
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nick says

2012-11-15 20:00:58

OR you can believe in no faith. not the absence of.... like Athiests want No way If athiests are in the minority guess what thay just have to deal with it.
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nick says

2012-11-15 19:58:13

Ok..as FAR A RELATIONSHIPS go David is the Man. But Lets face it Government is not really bad. Its suppost to do a few things and a few things only . 1. Military. Defend our borders from attack on our citizens. 2. Guarentee our freedoms as laid out in the the Ammendments. yes including religious freedom. Point on this-- religion is not the problem . its the people in them. David talked about religion being used to cooerce and controll people. You cant be controlled unless you allow your self to be Its actualy the other way around If people lived by the COMANDMANTS. We would all be more loving with eachother. The comandments say not so much that we cant do these things. But they Cannot be done to us. You can steal from me! you cant kill me ! you cant say wrong about me! Its seems David is ripping on just about the only parts of our country that matter. A goverment to protect our freedoms and the ability to practice our faith. Look at how many other countries have shit respect for anothers beliefs, and how really corupt their governments are.
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Bob says

2012-11-12 17:19:06

You people are political fanatics. Since the dawn of time politics have fractured society. Chill out...Everything will be fine. We have no gold standard, thanks to Nixon, so we will print our way out of this mess and slowly inflation will take care of all our debt. Simple, easy, and painless. print money, sell our debt to idiots, and slowly raise inflation to defer our debt payments. That's exactly what is happening. It'll all be juuussst fiiinnne!
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Pam says

2012-11-12 12:15:46

Ha ha, classic.
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Hans says

2012-11-12 10:34:53

Emmanuel, I think that any move towards a bigger government is perhaps too easily labeled 'socialist' or 'communist'. Personally, I don't believe that real 'communism' or 'socialism' has ever really existed. We have had dictatorships that called themselves communist, but they were nothing even close to what Marx had intended. The people never had the power. I think a lot of people are afraid to loose their freedoms when a bigger government gets more powers. As far as I can tell, and I lived in the US for a few years, many if not most Americans believe that they can 'make it on their own', and they don't want a lot of government. A policy that forces you to purchase health care, well, I can see the problem there. But I can also see the problem in people who cannot afford health care. Over here in Europe, the health care system is broke. You don't want to copy that. It is not sustainable. Maybe the difference of opinion can best be illustrated like this: let's say you, Emmanuel, take out a second mortgage on your home in order to start a business. You take all the risks, and if you fail, nobody is going to compensate you for your losses. If you succeed, you business might grow, and you might employ a few people. Either way, it was your risk, and that risk should be rewarded. If you make a lot of people dependent on the government, there will be less and less risk takers, and eventually, the entire economy will go down the drain. I personally know people who have been living completely off the government for 30 years or longer. But I also understand that times are tough. A government cannot really act like a business, because it has to take care of EVERYBODY. I really think that being the president must be the toughest job.
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Mark says

2012-11-12 06:36:52

If I didn't know Bile O'Reilly any better I'd be shocked. Oh and Pam, "Calling the kettle black." Why do have to bring race into this :D
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Pam says

2012-11-11 20:39:07

Correct--a quick search on Google found the O'Reilly quote.
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Pam says

2012-11-11 20:38:34

Emmanuel--exactly. Speaking of "personal attacks", who's the person who threw around the words idiot, communist, socialist, etc. throughout this thread? John should try talking to someone who immigrated here from an actual communist country because he has NO idea what the concept means. I think it's sad that there are women out there who support the GOP so vehemently and watch Rush Limbaugh, a man who once told an African American caller when he was a DJ to "take the bone out of (his) nose" so that he could understand him better (yet I am a racist--WTF?) I can't wrap my head around it. Most Republican women are like creepy Stepford wives to me. They must like being controlled by a man and being told what to do. Had Romney got in, religious organizations would have been allowed the options of withholding birth control from their employees. Romney was caught right on video saying that he would cut funding to Planned Parenthood. Abortion accounts for only a small percentage of what Planned Parenthood does for women--the majority of their services are for rape counseling, birth control, family planning, etc. I'm sure now that someone who does not want me to mention her by name (PFFFFT!) is going to take offense at this and say how sad it is that personal insults were thrown around. Whatever. Calling the kettle black. I work in marketing communications and write a blog, so I'm constantly proofreading things, and I didn't see any grammatical mistakes on your last few posts here, so I have no idea what they're complaining about. FYI--John claims for the 100th time that he's given up on dating, left the site and will stop leaving comments for good.
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Emmanuel says

2012-11-11 20:01:49

Spelling mistakes? Which WORD did I MISSPELL ENGLISH TEACHER? Tell your mom to SUCK MY BALLS, thank you!
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Emmanuel says

2012-11-11 19:53:57

Is that all you've got Johnny boy? First of all, John was the one who called me a communist, so I stood up for myself and called him and illiterate because he does not know what communism is. I AM 100% CERTAIN THAT FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS NOT TAKEN HIS HOUSE OR EXTERMINATED HIS IMMEDIATE FAMILY BECAUSE HE DID NOT DO WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION TOLD HIM TO DO. am i RIGHT? Thank you. You guys need to grow up. Seriously. Obama won, and that's the end of the story. Now shut up and let it go. Hans, what do you think of my thread? Does this post make sense to you? If you don't, I don't know what to say to you.
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Emmanuel says

2012-11-11 19:26:33

Pam, you know what I meant. He is dumb. I was not trying to insult the symbol of democrat party whatsoever. He thinks he knows everything about politics in US. What a load of crap. Also, he thinks Rush Limbaugh talk show is news. 0_0 It looks like you are the one who does not understand English because everyone in this forum are not having problems with what I posted. Who do you think you are, you don't even live in the United States, and you're judging my English. Wow, what a legitimate feedback!
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Mark says

2012-11-10 16:28:29

John, I heard the O'Reilly quote on an impartial news programme in the U.K. so your assumptions are wrong.
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Hans says

2012-11-10 15:34:51

Pam, the fact that you do not SEE the spelling mistakes does not mean they are not there. Here are just a few examples: 'I want to thank you to put an end for this' 'I think someone on the government needs to control them!' English is my fifth language, and even I can easily spot the spelling mistakes. Can you ? I still do not believe that Emmanuel is an American. Why is that ? Because he does not speak English !
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World War Z says

2012-11-10 15:28:49

It's quite apparent that the core message of D.Wygant's post didn't get through to most people who have commented here. Although i was a bit surprised to see a "political" post on David's blog, I'm pleased to see that good'ol Ron Paul's message has been spreading everywhere. All you folks on the left and the right would do well to stop throwing your verbal feces at each and wake up to the FACT that this country is headed towards financial collapse. The Republicans nor the democrats can be your saviors. You'd all be better off preparing for tough times ahead.
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Nathalie says

2012-11-10 07:01:56

Hi John, I know, I really can't believe it got to this point of name calling and insults.. "The key to freedom? End every judgement with a question mark" Byron Katie
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John says

2012-11-10 06:50:43

Hey Nathalie.. Hans.. See.. I told you how they would respond. Personal attacks / insults .. that's all the left has.
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John says

2012-11-10 06:47:41

Hahahaha! You wish. Commie. :p
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Pam says

2012-11-10 06:27:46

Now, Emmanuel, let's not go insulting donkeys. :) Hey, they are the animal of the Democratic party, no? I also love how he mentioned my name in 95% of his comments here. I'm starting to think he has it bad for me.
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Pam says

2012-11-10 06:25:54

Nowhere in Emmanuel's past few comments have I seen any spelling errors or grammatical mistakes, so I don't know what you dolts are talking about. By now you're just picking on him for picking's sake because you don't know what else to say. He called you two "fags"? Really? That immature, huh? John, by now it's really obvious that you are obsessive about this and need to get a frigging LIFE. The fact that you spent an entire Friday night leaving countless comments on a thread that people don't want to even read anymore speaks volumes.
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John says

2012-11-10 06:18:53

Hans.. pay no mind to idiots. He's shown his intelligence level clearly.
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Hans says

2012-11-10 01:19:21

Another post full of grammatical errors. I suggest you learn to speak English properly before you come back. We already know that you are not an American.
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Hans says

2012-11-10 01:13:35

Just to add the translation of Emmanuel's comment further up (he is trying to speak Dutch, I guess): "Hans, John - shut the fuck up, you fags" Now he reveals that he is anti-gay as well. I wonder what's next. My guess is that he is about 14 years old.
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Emmanuel says

2012-11-09 21:51:38

Christian, I am telling you... Talking to John is like talking to a Donkey, he does not comprehend what you said. He is a 40 y. old man with a brain size of a pea. Im sure he also does not have a penis because he keeps attacking Pam, who is a woman, who really is just trying to tell him to stop, but he does not get that. He is brainless.
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Emmanuel says

2012-11-09 21:19:49

John n Hans, Houw je bek flicker!
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John says

2012-11-09 19:51:38

What the hell are you talking about?
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Christian says

2012-11-09 18:32:05

John, my brother. Unplug for a while. Let it go. :) None of this matters, and I sure don't care. But this is obviously unhealthy for ya. Wish you the best my friend. Let it go. :)
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john says

2012-11-09 18:02:41

Everyone, just look at Emmanuel's comment above. His comment fully embodies the mentality of the American left. When they can't win by making valid points, and they can't defend their positions... They resort to childlike, petty, personal insults. Typical of the left, and the Democrat party. Exactly the response I was expecting.
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john says

2012-11-09 17:56:23

Emmanuel,, your comment shows the world just how big of an idiot you really are.
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Matt says

2012-11-09 17:19:17

John obama won! I have excepted it and dont care anymore! He should be able to do what ever he wants.. I hope he is a;lowed to print trillions of more dollars off and raises taxes on the rich then on upper middle class than on the middle class. Whatever I dont give a shit anymore.. Everyone is going to be feeling serious pain in the next 3 years. Only some will understand why and others will think is george bush
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Hans says

2012-11-09 16:38:52

Emmanuel, what is your take on very rich Democrats ? Should they lead by example and donate their wealth ?
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Hans says

2012-11-09 16:37:00

Just wanted to mention that I was a HUGE Condi Rice fan. She was something else...
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Emmanuel says

2012-11-09 15:39:16

Talking to John is like talking to a DONKEY. Enough said.
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john says

2012-11-09 15:16:53

Christian, The argument we are having here is that Pam, and others on the left, started attacking, and criticizing the right labeling them "Disgusting rich white guys". All of this is pointing out that the left that they hold up is just as rich, and for the most part, just as "white". But they give them a pass if they have a D after their name, or they support the liberal agenda. It's a double standard, and hypocrisy at it's finest.
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john says

2012-11-09 15:12:12

Hans,, oh yeah, that's right. I forgot all about Teresa Heinz. OK, but look at others on the list. Nancy Pelosi is a career politician. Ok, she WAS speaker of the house,(the party leaders make a little bit more, but not much.) but she has still amassed a fortune of 26.4 Million Dollars. How is that possible on a public servant's salary? Some were rich when they got into public service, but they go around criticizing other people's wealth, and demonizing successful people. I don't care what side of the isle you're on.. it's wrong. But if you're a member of the left, they give them a pass.
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Hans says

2012-11-09 14:43:32

John, he married that ketchup lady,so it's not even his own money. That would fit the profile of a true democrat: they love other people's money. That is mean, I know. Personally I couldn't care less how much he is worth. But he should not claim to represent poor people. Because he has no idea what it means to be poor.
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John says

2012-11-09 14:15:31

Hey Hans, of course both sides do it. On CNN's list of "wealthiest members of Congress" (which I used as my source) there are many republicans just as rich. I hand picked out the ones on the left that are the loudest mouths ( Kerry, Feinstien, Pelosi, etc.) that go around criticising those "evil, disgusting, rich people", and scream that the rich don't pay "their fair share" . They go around bashing the "one percent", when they, themselves, make up the 1% they hate so much. They have the nerve to criticize Mitt Romney's wealth, when they are obscenely rich themselves. And the'll argue, "well, Mitt Romney got there by screwing people"... Let me ask you this,, how does a career politician with an annual PUBLIC salary of, $174,000.00 / year amass a net worth of a whopping $198,800,000.00 if he isn't, himself, screwing the American People? Its SICKENING.
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Christian says

2012-11-09 13:27:20

Hey David - stumbled upon your blog about.. 12 minutes ago when I felt a little guilty about dating two women. So I googled it and a post of yours came up. Great job on the blog, seems as if you have a few followers. ;) I encourage anyone who reads this and who has formed an opinion to do unbiased research. Objective and analytic. Both sides. Once you understand how our political and economic system functions then you will see that opinions are least relevant and seldom worth reading. Divide and conquer has succeeded for millennium. Many are intellectually and spiritually evolving. Great blog. Wish you the best on your endeavors man. "The real issue we have here is the system doesn’t work anymore and hasn’t worked in a long time."
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John says

2012-11-09 13:01:56

No no no no no KC.. Pam attacked Rush Limbaugh for being able to pay Elton John $1,000,000 to play at his wedding. She attacked Glenn Beck for having his jet ( which is a business expense that he uses to travel to events across America, because he is heard in so many media markets.) and his mansions. I don't care how much money people have. I care when people on the left attack successful people and use words like DISGUSTING (like Pam did) white men, when the very people the left idolizes and holds up as there heroes are every bit as RICH, and they never criticize them. That is the HYPOCRISY of the American LEFT.
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Nathalie says

2012-11-09 11:56:49

Completely John...amazing...and they want everyone else to share the wealth..ugh
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Nathalie says

2012-11-09 11:55:20

Its obscene! :-O
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Hans says

2012-11-09 11:42:11

It is always the same story, throughout history: those who claim to fight for the poor and underprivileged, are never ever poor or underprivileged themselves. It is a paradox, it is hypocrisy, it is basically a joke.
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Hans says

2012-11-09 11:20:34

KC, of course both sides do it. Everybody does it. John is merely pointing out the hypocrisy of some democrats who claim to be the voice of the poor and the underprivileged, and who are, at the same time, rich themselves, and who have no intention of sharing their wealth. It is the same all over the world. Over here in The Netherlands, an advisor to the socialist party and former finance minister, came up with the idea of stuffing a 300 percent increase in the cost of mandatory health insurance down the throat of people with a median income. He quit his cabinet post because he wanted more time for his family. But that was not the reason. Guess who he works for now ? One of the big banks, where he makes a whole lot more money than he ever did working as a cabinet minister. Everybody wants more money. The main difference seems to be that there are those who think that you have to earn it yourself, and those who think that you have to take it away from those who have earned it.
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David L. says

2012-11-09 11:08:39

Well that escalated quickly. >__>
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KC says

2012-11-09 11:01:00

John, you obviously have some problems with choices that the wealthy democrats make, but that's what they are choices. Let them do what they want, and if your so disgusted with them, let me ask you this. If you were worth as much as any of the rich democrats listed, or hell even rich republicans, would you buy houses and expensive cars because you could and had the means to? Of course you would, I would. Money and power corrupt people when ever they have to much of it. People including your proud republicans buy expensive things because they can. Donald trump has a Gold encrusted toilet in his penthouse. That's gotta be worth close to 300K if not more and he shits in it. Tell me that's not a waste of money. Republicans are just as guilty as democrats when it comes to flaunting their wealth. Both sides do it so stop accusing one side and trying to back the other when both do it. Everyone in the top 1% also gives away some of their wealth to charity in some way. When you have money to spend, you will spend it because you can, and that helps reaffirm your status. I know everybody dreams of being rich, but not everyone wants to give away all of their wealth, because everyone who is rich has worked to get there, it's their descendants that rest on their laurels.
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john says

2012-11-09 10:04:20

Ok, enough with the Democrat Supporters in Hollywood and Michael Moore. Let's look at the Democrat "champions of the middle class" in Congress.. Current Congressional Salary for Rank and File members - $174,000.00 / year. Reported Net Worth - (all Democrats.) Sen. John Kerry (D) - $198,800,000.00 Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D) - $26,400,000.00 Senator Diane Feinstein (D) - $47,200,000.00 Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D) - $83,100,000 Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D) - $56,900,000.00 Sen. Mark Warner (D) - $85,900,000.00 In comparison -- Rep. Paul Ryan (R) -- 2,200,000.00 Rather DISGUSTING isn't it.
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john says

2012-11-09 09:48:57

side note.. Yes, I know how to use capital letters correctly. My phone tends to capitalize certain words on it's own when I use predictive text. No idea why it does it. It's not me.
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john says

2012-11-09 09:45:40

Now watch, When Pam comes in here and responds, she'll resort to personal attacks, like how I don't have anybody, how I'm immature, she'll throw around words like Disgusting, Pig, Racist, etc. When Liberals can't win an argument based on points, they always resort to personal attacks, smearing, insults,and vile, disgusting, hateful attacks. Nothing gets the left madder than pointing out their own Hypocrisy.
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john says

2012-11-09 09:41:17

Nathalie.. According to the Huffington Post, (liberal publication, isn't it?), Democrat, and Barack Obama supporter Jay-Z purchased $350,000.00 worth of Birkin Bags from Hermes. Sounds like that's more money that should have been redistributed. Here is the Huffington Post article that confirms the purchase. There is also mention of the private island Jay-Z bought, and the $2,000,000.00 Bugatti Veyron that Beyonce purchased. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/27/jay-z-buys-beyonce-350000-of-hermes-birkin-bags-report_n_801454.html Ii's amazing how generous liberals are with OTHER PEOPLE'S money, but look at the lifestyle they lead.
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Nathalie says

2012-11-09 08:55:45

This made me think I feel I heard Jay Z and Beyonce purchased a jewel encrusted crib for their baby lolol
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John says

2012-11-09 08:45:35

Ok.. I have been trying to find an actual picture of the infamous Ban Affleck "jewel encrusted toilet seat" . I am finding reports that the toilet seat MAY have been a hoax, and Jennifer Lopez denies ever having received it. So scratch the toilet seat off the list. BUT.. Ben Affleck STILL has a reported net worth of $65,000,000.00 . That is still in the top 1%. That should still put Ben in the "disgusting rich white Democrat" category.
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John says

2012-11-09 08:39:17

Hans.. I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of Pam, and her people on the left. They throw a fit, point fingers, and scream redistribution of the wealth, when they see a successful buisness owner, and scream "disgusting rich white guys". Then, they are suddenly silent when Jay-z buys an ISLAND, or Michael Moore buys a Mulit-million dollar Mansion. It's sick. Hypocrites.
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Hans says

2012-11-09 08:31:36

I guess the thing to do is to ask the rich Democrats you listed how they feel about...being rich. And how they reconcile their wealth with trying to be the champions of the poor and underprivileged.
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Hans says

2012-11-09 08:25:56

The title of David's blog reads 'The 2012 Civil War'. And that is exactly what it seems to be. Instead of hearing each other out, and exchanging arguments, there is blind fury, hatred, jealousy, and constant attempts to dehumanize the other side. It is exactly what happens in a lot of Arab countries these days. They blow each other up, torture each other with drills, shoot their unarmed prisoners, rape the women - I am not sure we want to go there. The US had a civil war once, you really want another one ?
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John says

2012-11-09 08:09:54

Correction.. I mispelled Piers. My apologies to Piers Morgan.
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Nathalie says

2012-11-09 07:43:15

Wow!! lol I wish you could see my face my eyes are so wide hahaa Great list! Funny because I have to say I like quite a few of those people too :-) Thanks for sharing that John :-D
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Nathalie says

2012-11-09 07:40:37

John I read it 3 times LOL Good God Michael Moore wow I had no idea..exactly perfect example! With all this thinking why doesn't he donate his millions to others..I don't see him "sharing his wealth" around with everyone..Ugh that feels obscene almost.......
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john says

2012-11-09 07:39:28

Nathalie .. List of Famous Republicans in Hollywood.. https://www.theblaze.com/stories/10-hollywood-performers-who-are-reportedly-surprisingly-republicans/ Look at number 10 on the list. :)
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Al E. Neuman says

2012-11-09 07:35:13

Emmanuel, Which President issued an executive order that enables some Americans to: not work, lay lazy at home, not do anything, play video games all day? Sure some illegal immigrants do want to work. However, there are some illegal immigrants that come here to feast upon entitlements and take advantage of us. So that they too can: not work, lay lazy at home, not do anything, play video games all day.
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john says

2012-11-09 07:35:01

Nathalie , The very people that the left idolizes, and Champions are the richest, Whitest people in America today. Pam, and her kind, are Hypocrites. Read the post I left above, and look at that link. Look at Michael Moore's mansion. I think HIS wealth needs to be re-distributed. :)
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Nathalie says

2012-11-09 07:33:25

Woah those facts were interesting and had no idea! a jewel encrusted toilet LOL!!! I feel intrigued 50 Cent is republican weeeeee :-)
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john says

2012-11-09 07:28:51

Pam, what is so Disgusting to you about Success? You think everybody who votes Republican is rich? and White? Is Clarence Thomas White? Is Colin Powell White? Is Condi Rice White? Is 50 Cent white? (yes, 50 Cent is a registered republican.) Lets look at some of your "poor" idols on the Left. Jay-Z -- Jay Z performed at Obama's last campaign rally, rapping obscenities using Bitches, and Hoes and the N word over and over to the crowd, while Obama stood there and cheered. Jay Z bought his own private island as a gift to Beyonce at an obscene cost of $20,000,000. His wife then returned the favor by spending $2,000,000.00 on a Bugatti Veyron for Jay-Z. They sound like real Champions of the poor. Ben Affleck - He is a big idol on the left. He purchased a Jewel Encrusted Toilet seat as a gift for his then girlfriend Jennifer Lopez, at a cost of $105,000.00. That's a lot of money that should have been re-distributed, right Pam? Sounds pretty disgusting to ME! George Clooney - Huge supporter of Barack Obama. George Clooney purchased a mansion in the Studio City Area from Stevie Nicks in 1995 at a price of $2,200,000.00 George Clooney later purchased a mansion in Laglio, Italy, called Villa Oleandra. It sits on the lake, has 25 Grand Rooms, an outdoor Theater, and a Huge garage for Clooney's Multi-Million dollar motorcycle collection. Clooney has a reported net worth of $160,000,000. Sounds pretty disgusting to me. He's White, right Pam? Michael Moore- Michael Moore is a champion of the 99% right? He has a reported net worth of appx. $50,000,000.00 (as was pointed out in an interview with Pierce Morgan.) He has a gross annual income of roughly $380,000.00 putting him in the top one tenth of one percent of earners in America. Michael Moore purchased a Mansion off a lake in Torch Lake, Michigan, valued at over $2,000,000.00. That is on top of his million dollar 10,000 square foot home in Manhattan. That is TRULEY DISGUSTING. Everyone, you can see pictures of Michael Moore's mansion by following this link- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2060704/Occupy-protests-Michael-Moores-mansion-luxury-99-Americans-dream-of.html So go ahead Pam. Throw your Racist comments and sit in your little glass house throwing stones. Your idols and champions of the American Left are the Richest, Whitest, and most Disgusting of all.
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Nathalie says

2012-11-09 07:24:46

I have a strong respect for hard working immigrants..They were the people who built this country, I come from immigrants..My dad is from Europe, a hard working man who I admire so greatly for coming to this country barely knowing English.. I honestly admit I have a low tolerance level for people who come here now and do not at least "try" to speak English.. I do not think any other country is so tolerant of this. I know in France they expect you to speak the language, which I respect. I learned it and tried. I love languages and speak several..but I feel like if you immigrate to a country it is only normal to at least try and speak the language of the country!
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Nathalie says

2012-11-09 07:20:51

I somehow can't help but wonder, what good it does people or how if makes them feel to really criticize and bring color and race when they dislike a certain party or person? Also just because we are of the race we are criticizing does not make it fine. It feels insulting and it turns into no longer a political discussion or even personal rant if you prefer to a racial one..
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Hans says

2012-11-09 05:40:57

I agree, there is nothing racist about it whatsoever. It is honest at most. I actually wish more people were that honest. These days, because of political correctness, the only 'real' opinions can be found on the Internet, where people dare to speak their minds. Out in the open, everybody pretends to be nice and friendly and cuddly. You hate Republicans, and that's fine because it is what it is.
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Pam says

2012-11-09 05:24:09

I honestly don't see anything racist at all about calling Republicans disgusting white guys. I'm just stating the facts, which people are in denial about--it's been all over the news this week about how one of their own says the party is "Too old, too white and too male." Look it up if you don't believe me and quit your whining about how effing offended you were by my comments.
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Hans says

2012-11-09 04:36:10

OK people, since everybody now knows that I am a racist and a snob and a worshipper of the Dark Side, let me illustrate what I meant. A couple of years ago, I was on a trip in New England. It was late, it was raining, and I stopped at a motel. I got a room. I am kind of into photography, and I had a macro lens with me. I had to look up the insects that were crawling around there, but they were really interesting, from a photographic point of view. There also was mildew, various water leaks, and the sheets looked like they had last been changed when Nixon was elected. So, I go back to the reception to ask for another room. The guy, who happened to be the owner of the place, looks at me and asks me 'what's wrong with your room', and I show him the pictures of the crawling critters, after mentioning the other little inconveniences. That is when the guy gets really pissed and starts calling me a 'White American Supremacist'. I tell him, no, I just did not know that I had to get a cholera shot before checking into your motel. To make a long story short, I demanded my money back, and when he was reluctant to give it back to me, I threatened to call the cops and the health inspection, which I told him was more than likely to shut his place down. My point is: to that guy, his motel seemed perfectly acceptable. Because it is exactly like the place he comes from. The majority of immigrants these days come from Third World countries, and they import their way of life into the US and other Western countries. Yes, the US has been built by immigrants, but NOT by immigrants from Pakistan, India, or any African country. It was only after that incident that I found out that budget motels run by dirty, nasty, and smelly East Indian franchises were quite common. I must admit that at least they don't live off the government, and apparently, they cater to a need. Over here, they turn our cities into garbage belts WITHOUT contributing anything. My concern is only that if a society absorbs too many of these people, it will eventually look like the society these people come from, and that is something you do not want, unless you are into macro photography. Now, John confirmed it: there are seven times more Blacks incarcerated than Whites. That is a fact, and you can interpret this any way you want. To me, it really only matters when certain parts of the population call themselves a 'community'. The Arab community, the Muslim community, the Black community, the whatever community. The entire concept stinks. Because when you actually ARE part of a community, you also have a collective responsibility for what that community does and stands for. And if that is true, the so-called 'leaders' of e.g. the Black community should have a very hard and deep look at themselves before ever again criticizing vague things like society. If so many members of my community were criminals, I would simply be ashamed. But only if I would embrace the concept of 'community'. Personally, I look at individuals. Most of you are probably too young to remember the O.J. Simpson murder trial, but I found it quite disgusting. I had a few black colleagues at work, and they all said 'Yes the bastard did it'. Of course he did it. Everybody knew he did it. Why would you defend him ? He obviously slaughtered two people in the most horrible way. What the heck did this whole thing have to do with color or ethnicity ? Needless to say that none of my 'white' colleagues ever once even mentioned that my other colleagues were 'black'. We all just saw one horrible crime. My point is: real racism starts within yourself. If I go out today with the idea that everybody hates me because I am 6'4", everybody WILL hate me. If I hate myself because I am fat, everybody WILL hate me. That is, by the way, the good thing about Obama. He is just a good guy, and I say that although I do not agree with his policies. His color does not matter one bit.
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Mike says

2012-11-09 01:04:36

I agree with David, the popular vote is the way to go, all too often only certain states become important rather than the rest of the country! While it's true all governments like to spend money they don't have, most people don't consider the effects on their lifestyles when it comes to a country borrowing more than it has... Take Argentina for example...That government began borrowing money from the international bank in the 1970's. Most people in Argentina thought little about it. There were promises of prosperity and new roads which were nothing new because these promises were quite common. And the average citizen saw more taxes. But this time it was different, the amount of money Argentina was able to borrow from the international bank was used to create more roads, and other projects like dams that employed thousands of people to build. Also, their taxes didn't go up! This seemed to be the newfound prosperity in Argentina. Politicians who were once looked upon as parasites became heroes of the average middle class. Argentina was spending money everywhere and no one cared if it was more than what the country could afford. They assumed that rich nations would not let them have the money unless they thought they could pay them back. Deficit figures began to rise year and year. Some began to warn about the massive debt, but they were ignored. In the 1980's, the debt reached 10 billion which is when those who warned about the massive debt made a prediction the country would go bankrupt, but it did not. Prosperity continued to abound, 20 billion, 30 billion, then 40 billion. Politicians who wanted to reduce the debt were voted out and more progressives were voted in. Argentina at one point was being considered as an up and coming economic powerhouse. As foreign credit began to dry up, taxes began increasing. The citizens complained but still believed borrowing well behind their means would continue their prosperity. People began to quit their jobs to work for the government. Small businesses would sell at a highly inflated price (sounds like the housing market in America when it was booming). Then one day the world bank pulled the plug, it was no longer willing to loan Argentina anymore money because they could no longer pay it back. So what did they do? They had to keep the gravy train rolling. The government began to print money to pay the bills! As a result, the Argentine astral devalued by 50 percent. The prices of goods and services doubled practically overnight. After 6 months of printing money to pay the bills, inflation was at 600 percent! The cost of food escalated by some 6,000 percent! The entire savings of the people of Argentina ran out in less than six months. They had to sell every possession just to put food on the table. Over an 8 year period of printing money to pay the bills, inflation rose by 600,000 percent! In 1989, Argentina elected a dictator to re-establish control over the economy. Price controls were implemented, during that government's rein, the middle class disappeared. More and more benefits (including retirees) were eliminated. Just think about the United States becoming more and more like Argentina. There are no countries that have the capital to bail out our debt. Very few people thought the stock market would eventually crash like it did in 1929. Very few people thought the housing market in the United States would slow down as much as it did. The warning signs are there, only those in denial do not see them...We don't have to go through what other counties have done with their money!
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Colin says

2012-11-09 00:18:15

You can't blame me. I voted third party. If the US had a coalition system for its federal government, things would go much more smoothly, but sadly, that's a European institution, so that makes it inherently un-American.
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Emmanuel says

2012-11-08 21:15:11

Do you guys want to know why those illegal immigrants want to work here? Because you guys are not picking up the jobs that are available out there!We Americans have become spoiled that we do not want to work anymore! If you guys start picking up the slacks, Those illegal immigrants will stay in their respective countries! John, do you want to work in the fields picking up grapes? Do you want to work in a restaurant to wash dishes? Of course you won't! I don't like illegal immigrants at all. But, they do not hurt the economy as bad as you think. Those illegal immigrants want jobs and they will do anything to work. I think the problem right now is that SOME Americans are getting lazy and they do not want do the jobs that are available out there. Look at our young people. They finished high school, they are smoking pot, not working, laying lazy at home, not doing anything, playing video games all day! Don't believe me? Look around!
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Emmanuel says

2012-11-08 21:00:32

Hey Hans I thought you're an American at first, but you're from Netherlands. I think you are a fucking snob for commenting about how Obama won the election. You don't know shit, and yet you talked like you know everything! No wonder David was pissed about this. John, you need to calm down bro. Big time. Your hatred towards Obama was just ridiculous yesterday. I suggest you to stop hearing Rush Limbaugh and start doing your own research about the government. You WERE the one that started the talks about Politics actually. Hey David, I want to thank you to put an end for this. It was getting crazy. I felt disgusted about Hans' comment yesterday regarding immigrants. The funny thing is the man himself does not live in the United States. He is from freaking Netherlands. I think the interest groups have so much power right now over the government. I think someone on the government needs to control them! The government was made for the people, not the other way around.
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john says

2012-11-08 18:37:49

yeah Al, I don't know what he's talking about. Probably something he picked up on a leftist, liberal Blog. They are notorious for putting words in the mouths of conservatives, and taking things conservatives say out of context. We'll see if he can post a link.
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john says

2012-11-08 18:31:52

ok, Hans.. I finally got a chance to read that post. I commented on it before, but didn't actually comment on the post. I just posted the video for "Obamaphone" lady. As far as your point about there being more blacks in U.S. prisons than whites, I checked with the Bureau of Prison Statistics, and I couldn't find total counts of inmates in population brokedown by race. The only thing I could find is a breakdown of incarcerated people by race as a percentage of the U.S. population. At yearend 2010, black non-Hispanic males had an imprisonment rate (3,074 per 100,000 U.S. black male residents) that was nearly 7 times higher than white non-Hispanic males (459 per 100,000). So, on that point, you are correct. There is a much larger percentage of the Black population that is incarcerated than there is of the white population. The question I have is.. WHY are you making that point? Are you saying that those are the people that voted for Obama? If that is what you are saying.. Then You are very Wrong. I don't know if you are aware, but in the United States, convicted felons lose the right to vote. So, unless there was fraud, there were NO Obama voters from that category. As far as the Immigrant comment, I didn't read into it what Pam did. I honestly don't know what point you were making. I was a little bit confused by that post. My own personal opinion is, I want immigrants to come to America. That used to be the dream of people, the world over. We are a nation built by immigrants. If you want to come to the United States, and want to find work, or start a business, I am all for that. If you want to come here just to live on the government dime, then I would rather they didn't. But, if you want to come to America, come here LEGALLY. There are thousands waiting in line to enter the United States, and it is unfair to those who respect our laws, to bypass the system, and cross the border illegally. We need tighter security on the border. As far as the "Dream Act" goes, I'm actually for it, but I'm for a permanent solution, being passed by congress. Not the temporary solution put into effect by Executive order by Obama. That was an abuse of executive power, in my opinion.
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Al E. Neuman says

2012-11-08 18:17:41

Was O'Reilly paraphrasing the latest...heading on Newsweek's cover? Note Huffpo's title about the cover: "Newsweek Obama Victory Cover Shows President As Napoleon" "I found the crown lying in a gutter in Paris, and I picked it up, but the people put it on my head." - Napoleon https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/08/newsweek-obama-victory-cover_n_2095138.html
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Al E. Neuman says

2012-11-08 17:25:09

Nearly 40% of my graduate level program were composed of foreigners, yes this is a US school. Following graduation many wanted to stay in the US, but had to go back to their homeland when their student visa expired. With the poor economy, companies are looking to keep new hire costs low. Thereby limiting the number of employers willing to pay for the work visa. It's a shame in cases like this that immigrants that want to positively contribute to the US are unable to find a job so that they can live out their dream in the US. Yet they do have the respect to follow the law. Illegal immigration, that is an action of disrespect to us, our laws and to those that are trying to come here legally. Sure some do want to positively contribute to the US too. However, there are some that consciously come here to feast upon entitlements and take advantage of us.
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Hans says

2012-11-08 15:07:40

John, it was my post number 31 in David's 'Are you happy now' blog. I said that I expected to be shot down for that.
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John says

2012-11-08 15:05:09

Hans,, was that you with the immigrant comment? Is she talking about where you said immigrants are coming to the Netherlands, only because they want to live on the public dime? I don't know what post Pam is talking about. If she is talking about yours, she is taking you out of context.
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John says

2012-11-08 15:02:23

Post a link to where O'reilly said that. I think you're either making that up, or you are taking him out of context.
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John says

2012-11-08 14:59:44

Immigrants ruining this country? Who said that? I don't remember seeing that one. I would say ILLEGAL immigration is financially hurting our economy, and putting our national security at bigger risk.. but immigration in generak is RUINING our country? That's absurd. This is a nation of immigrants. But if you're going to come here, do it legally. But no, I don't condone an opinion like that. I must have missed that one.
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Hans says

2012-11-08 14:55:16

It is very much politically correct to speak out against racism. But what exactly IS racism ? I went skiing in France a couple of years ago, in a resort way up in the mountains. Half of the guests were from Israel, none of the guests were Arabs. Coincidence ? Does that make these people racist ? Or are they just calculating the risk ? If you just bought a new car, would you honestly feel comfortable leaving the car in a parking lot in a neighborhood full of housing projects ? Does that make you racist ? Why do you not really feel comfortable about that backpacking trip to Pakistan or Afghanistan ? Does that make you a racist ? Personally, I look for the vibe I get from somebody. It is instant, and I am usually right. And the vibe has totally nothing to do with skin color or ethnicity.
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Mark says

2012-11-08 14:23:31

Good blog, David. I thought you were gonna stay above the fray but thanks for speaking out against the racism.
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Mark says

2012-11-08 14:19:26

Pam, have you heard O'Reilly's latest bile? "The white establishment is in the minority." Oh dear.
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Hans says

2012-11-08 13:51:11

I sometimes wonder what the world would look like if everybody, and I mean everybody, would never ever again blame somebody else or some vague circumstance for their current situation, but only themselves. Because, in the end, it really always comes down to yourself. If you are currently unemployed, it is because your skill set does not match what the market demands. If you can add value to a company, you will get hired. I work in IT, there are plenty of jobs in IT. Look at Android programming, as an example. High paying jobs, and all the tools to learn it are available for FREE on the Internet. Arguing and discussing things is fun, but it will not change your current situation, if that is what you are looking for. Neither will be blaming somebody else.
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David L. says

2012-11-08 13:40:06

You know what, you're right David. David Wygant 2016. Make it happen. While you're preparing, I'll read the rest of these people posting comments tear each other head's off because it looks like it's about to get good up in here.
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KC says

2012-11-08 13:03:21

David is right, the system is the broken piece not the candidates. Everybody keeps on drawing lines in the sand, saying we wont allow this. The question that everyone needs to ask about certain policies is WHY. Why are they bad or why are they a good idea? Everybody cares to explain all of their policies, but everyone on the opposite side just bashes and destroys them without pointing out the good things they can do. Why are people against gay marriage, or a women's right to their own body or against social programs? These are good things that people should have, but they also need to be tweaked in order to make sure they run effectively. Socialism works to a point, the same thing with conservatism works to a point. You need to merge the 2 effectively to get the best results. Take Canada for example, we have socialist policies, but we also have a conservative government in power, so far things seem to be working out well. If the left and the right would stop arguing with one another about who's got the better ideas, look at the facts, and concede to work together maybe the U.S could look more like the proud country that was a world leader, but in many eyes has now become a vat of stupidity and ignorance.
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Hans says

2012-11-08 13:03:11

Dear Pam, I invite you to come over to Europe. I will show you around in places like Paris, or even the city I live in here in The Netherlands. 100% of male immigrants from Morocco, to give you an example, have a criminal record. Maybe we can take a trip to one of the prisons here, I am pretty sure you will not find a lot of native Dutch people in there. What is the US prison population made up of ? White males ? Have you ever been to one of the countries most immigrants come from ? Most of them give filth and dirt a new dimension. I am not a racist. I am a realist.
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Pam says

2012-11-08 12:58:57

Gosh, my feelings are so hurt.
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Nathalie says

2012-11-08 12:54:08

I am proud of my public posts who do not address racism in any shape or form. I do not want my name being used. I do not use yours. Do not address me, I will be ignoring you from this moment on.
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Pam says

2012-11-08 12:48:58

Excuse me, but who are you to tell me how to write my comments? This is David Wygant's blog, not yours. Unless he tells me not to do so, I will use a person's name when appropriate. You are obviously paranoid about others seeing what you said on other threads.
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Nathalie says

2012-11-08 12:41:30

I will say it again. Do Not EVER address me again or use my name in your posts please..I do not want to be chased all over the blog with my name or copying my comments, I barely even conversed with you on this. Leave me alone.
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Pam says

2012-11-08 12:30:53

John, you're 40 years old going on 4. "Pam said, this, Pam started that!" My comment about "rich white guys" isn't anything close to the ridiculous comment I saw on the other thread about how immigrants are ruining this country and how other countries are so much better off because they don't allow immigrants in. BUT because that guy who said it was on YOUR side, John and Nathalie (and YES, NATHALIE, I am using your name because this is aimed at YOU, TOO) you didn't call him racist or say a goddamned word about his comments. But I make a comment about rich white Republicans, and suddenly I'm a big liberal bigot. I look forward to this blog returning to dating advice, its original purpose. Over and out.
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Nathalie says

2012-11-08 12:13:02

I still can't get over how race was dragged into this..If I feel like the candidate is making sense and is going to do something good for our country I couldn't care less about their race even what party they are from! It just so happens the conservatives are very close to reflecting what I feel is important for the advancement of the country.. :-)
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Brian says

2012-11-08 11:41:31

My idea is Wygant '16
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John says

2012-11-08 11:38:19

Dave, nobody even mentioned Race until PAM started attacking those evil, "disgustingly rich" WHITE GUYS, and MADE this all about race. Anyone who criticizes Obama's policies, or doesn't agree with his policies, is instantly labeled RACIST by the left. When they have no more arguments, they play the race card. Honestly, the candidate I supported most was Herman Cain. Great business man, a leader, and a great CONSERVATIVE. The fact that Herman Cain is black isn't even a factor. I really wish Cain had stayed in it. I don't agree with Romney about everything. I'm pro-union, and a Teamster, for instance. But there is no perfect candidate. You pick the candidate who closest identifies your views. That's all you can do. Civil war may be coming though. And sooner than we think. I have never seen America more divided.
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Alin R.O. says

2012-11-08 11:29:50

Every vote should count
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Dave says

2012-11-08 11:01:12

Libertarianism. Shrink the government until its nearly microscopic in size and promote the shit out of capitalism. Done,
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