Be The Selector By David Wygant
Recently, a friend of mine from Europe wrote me a great email. Now, he’s a confident, good-looking guy who really understands the power of his mind and his attitude. He sent me something this morning that really resonated with me, and I’m going to call it “Be The Selector.”
Most men will go to the bar, find a position, stand there, drink some booze , and hope either the right woman walks by so they can talk to her or that they get up enough liquid courage to walk over and talk to someone. Does this sound familiar so far??
They will also wait for the hot woman to be near them and then they will make the number one cardinal sin happen. They will buy her a drink and she will of course spend the obligatory 2 minutes with him and then walk away. Only to be seen 30 minutes later sucking face with a dude in the corner sipping the drink you bought her.
As the night progresses, the women will be hit on more and more by different guys using the same boring approach. A guy will be standing there at the bar waiting his turn. Once he finally figures out what to say (which he thinks is so clever and original), it is really the exact same thing all the other guys have been saying. The guy finally gets his turn, and he gets shot down even quicker than the other guys. Why does he get shot down quicker? Because she’s already heard what he’s trying on her, and her patience is at a night time low for all the un-clever banter that’s been brought over to her.
Not only is this something that men do, men will repeat this over and over every Friday night hoping that this will work one time. They might as well send the 100 dollars they spend in the bar to a charity, at least then the money will be put to good use.
When you learn the power of being the selector, you are now different than every other guy who wishes they were selected. Women feel your lack of confidence right when you walk over to her. Women smell a routine a mile away. Let’s talk about a routine.
There are good routines and bad routines. What makes the difference between a good routine and a bad routine?
A bad routine usually has the man talking nonstop. Because he’s so nervous and he doesn’t want even a moment of silence, he becomes “routine man.” Either he tells a story or asks a question, but he never listens to her response to know what to say next.
Also a bad routine will only work on drunk 22 year old club girls and when you think you have a potential date with them you will find out 2 days later when you call that she either gave you a wrong number or all you get is voicemail and no phone call back.
I have found that 7 out of 10 times you use a routine and meet drunk girls in bar the odds of getting a date is 30%.
So you will need to get 10 phone numbers for 3 dates. Do you want to work such low odds and think about how long it takes you to get 10 phone numbers in a hot bar.
A routine guy will brag about all the numbers he gets, the reason why is because he knows that the majority of women that he gets a number of will never turn into a date.
Do you want to be a routine guy so you can brag to your friends about all the numbers you get?
Or do you desire to be a Selector, a man that not only gets the number but she can’t wait for him to call and sometimes when you are a Selector a woman will actually chase you.
Lets talk further about how a Selector makes this happen.
A selector will walk over to a group of women with a very clever opener that will get them speaking and competing for his attention. For instance, you’re in a bar and three women are standing there. They’ve already rejected two or three guys. A routine guy will walk over with the same routine that those last guys did. A selector will walk over with a purpose – he is going to get every woman intrigued by him.
One of my favorite openers in a bar is “the text opener.” I will have my friend text me this into my phone: “Hmmm . . . Last night was really interesting. What are you doing later? 
”: Now that you have this in your phone, you need a back story. The back story is that you went out with this woman the night before, had a glass of wine, and said goodnight without any kiss. So you approach the group of three women, and you ask them “Can I have your opinion on something? Before I show you what I need your opinion on, I need to tell you the back story.” Then you explain to them about the date the night before. And then . . . the fun begins.
You pass them the phone, and every one of them will have a comment. Within three to five minutes, you will find out about their booty call rules and their dating habits. The key to making this work is to listen. If girl #1 says “She’s booty calling you,” you need to challenge her and say “Is that what you do when you booty call a guy?”
As all of you know, I’m not a big routine guy. Everything I teach is all about observation and being present in the moment so you can connect with women.
But bars are a different ball game, and a lot of women when they go to a bar are very guarded. Truthfully, I don’t blame them. If I was out on a Friday night and everybody looked at me like a piece of meat on a grill, and all that was missing was the A1 Sauce, I can see how they begin to get this way.
Now I know women right now are reading this and thinking “Why do men have to play games and use routines?” The reason is obvious. Most women don’t make themselves available when they go out on a Friday night. They hover in packs, and barely make any eye contact with men. So we feel like we have to come up with something to say to get your attention . . . and “hello” just doesn’t seem to cut it.
So in order to become the selector, you also have to be able to be unique and different. Selectors may have little routines from time to time, but the key is not what you say . . . it’s how you say it and listening. If you listen, you will become the selector.
Try this out in a bar and you will realize that women will not only find this entertaining and fun, but different. Not only that, by saying you went out on a date and then having them see what’s in that text, they will wonder what you said on an hour date that made her text you at 10:00 pm on a Friday night.
A friend of mine used this approach, and all the women in the group he approached wanted him after that. One walked by and let her business card fall. Another one met him at the bathroom. The one he initially spoke to when he walked over to the group called him twenty minutes after he left the bar. They all became hookups for him.
It’s all about confidence, and not worrying about what you look like or what happens if you get turned down. The more you talk to women, the greater chance of success you’ll have. My friend emailed me and said “I’ve stopped chatting them up, because it always works and I have no time anymore for all these women.”
The power of being the selector is within you. Women desire the man who selects them . . . not the man who begs them. Time for you to kick ass, and start learning how to listen and attract all the women you desire!
Todays video will teach you how not to be her emotional tampon.
Yes, this is true
The word that continually was almost in bold neon flashing print threaded throughout this blog to me was the word, “Listen.”
Listening to what a person has to share has many advantages that people overlook as they are thinking, “Ok while they are talking, where do I go next….oh yea, I can talk about how my cat barfed up this huge furball!” lol
No, I DO NOT tell people this…I use physicians formula /senior Hair Ball Formula…..LOL.
In listening, not only are you showing just plain common courtesy, you are like a sponge soaking up everything said, and hopefully retaining the better part of it.
In gathering information from this “hottie,” or whoever…you may find out through listening you are talking to Sybills 13 twins and need to run like hell, even if they do look like the supemodel of the year. Sorry, that really isn’t so funny because it is a true story and if you’ve seen it….well..
I use the “supermodel” analogy because that seems to be where people set their sights….both men and women….that EXCLUDES me although I am all moman
I am cute and sexy. I have what I believe to be an honesty, I’m passionate, sexy, have a fun personality that is real. There is nothing fake about me…not even an eyelash..
I have beautiful eyes, (so I am told time and time again) I am friendly to everybody (unless they turn my “crunk”) LOL
Makes things quite interesting at times 
I love who and what I am, and find that others like me a lot as well. I am greatly humbled and very appreciative.
I fall waaaaaay short of a supermodel status quo. I am 5′3″ which is….short and I am proud of it
In the listening, I used to have a joke, that really inside I would think this is probably the damn truth, even though my eyes were topic of beauty.
The joke was, You could put me in a room full of men and bring me out
and ask every one of them, “What color were her eyes?” Every 9 out of 10 would NOT know the color of the eyes, but the bra size being as I am “well endowed…blessed with breast!” lol
So it is with the listening factor. 9 times out of 10 you can have a conversation with a person and they MIGHT remember a thing or two you spoke about. Strike 3…Your out!!! First 2 strikes??
Listen, gather info. and feed off of that. You will NEVER run out of things to talk about if you turn your ears up and tell that “other brain” to just settle it down awhile!
Joan, Joan, Joan, Joan….
Eeeeeh, my goodness, i am just wondering how your online dating profile wd look like! Nice post, i have enjoying reading it.
I am cute and sexy. I have what I believe to be an honesty, I
Anecdote: “I looked good Saturday night. It was probably the shoes: classic black pumps, sleek and slim, with a 4-inch heel. I
Joan and Theresa
I hope all the men spend the time reading your great posts.
Lots of great information here as always.
The only time I go to bars is to go dancing when there isn’t some kind of charity dance or holiday dance going on. I can play pool at the cinema arcade if I want..and video games and air hockey and see a movie. Very few of the bars here pour the tequila that I like so its really a waste of time besides if I wanted to be hung out like a prize lamb chop, I’d just go to the supermarket and sit in the meat case. Its a little chillier there though…..lol
A couple of times I have gone just to sit and sip a drink with friend Ronda and shoot the breeze, and I will admit, I definitely have a hands off posture when I’m doing that. Probably not a good thing cause you just never know, but I’ll go with the odds that if he’s there when I’m likely to show up for a stb session he is there just about every night. However, if a guy could brave that, and be sincere, not give me a line about how his woman is no good, and actually listens he would find me very receptive to his attentions.
So David, if its not too confidential, what happened to Mr Emotampon? Did he change his attitude? It requires a lot of effort to change your mind and change your life….always curious…..
Lou-bega:
Yes, I am the girl who was behind the guy buying lotsa bread who chose not to say anything to him b/c I picked up on a lack-of-confidence-energy vibe from him.
But, you’re right…approaching people is hard when you’re not used to it and I’ve been enjoying learning some of the tips from here. For various reasons, I’ve had to do some serious internal work or face some health problems. That has resulted in being more aware & observant of not just my surroundings, but of what’s happening internally. The process looks daunting at first, but it has actually become an enjoyable learning process. I feel like I’m slowly coming out on the other side..finally…but I’m not there yet.
I hope to utilize David’s help more (other than just things I’m learning here and on the periphery) a little later this year. I’m just not in a position to do it yet. 
Bria
Great comments everybody. I would only add one additional tip: NEVER buy a woman a drink in a bar. In fact, never buy them anything (OK, maybe a cup of Joe at anywhere other than Starbucks is a suitable exception) until you are serious ad exclusive.
Dunga,
Eeeeeeeh, dont be so mean…Buying a drink for a lady in a bar is a good virtue, it doesnt matter whether she goes off after the mandatory 2 minutes. Its a sign of gentility!
Bria,
I agree with u. It takes courage and confidence. I am one of those people who wd just look & mentally survey situations. Thks to these tips, i
I might talk with someone who doesn’t buy me a drink, but I wouldn’t think much of a guy who didn’t pay for coffee or dinner. It isn’t because I’m a spoiled brat. It’s more a matter of economy. As a woman, I spend a damn lot of money to look pretty … way more than the average man. The least he can do is buy me a sandwich … the first date. Most guys around here pay no matter what, and they’re insulted if one would suggest otherwise. However, when guys have dependent kids, I feel better if we eventually split the check or take turns. Otherwise I feel like they’re spending money on me that they should be spending on their kids.
Lou bega;
Thank you and I am very glad you enjoyed my post. I hope it didn’t sound conceited, because I am the furthest from that a person can be.
I try to take care of myself, and take a humble pride when 24-29 year old young men (TOO young for me) are flirting When I tell them my age, they don’t believe me. I actually had a “yougun” tell me, “Hey if you don’t want to talk to me, you don’t have to lie about your age.”
LOL I had to laugh, because women are usually accused of lying about their age to fall towards the younger side.
46 is absolutely fine with me. I really do believe with all that is within me…people…if you take care of your self…actually do better with age as a fine wine with some aged cheese.
DAVID:
Thank you very much as well. It always feels good to have the two thumbs up from the man who moderates
Dunga;
If you are refering to say buying a woman the latest designer purse, or shoes every woman is trying to get her paws on……I agree with you 100%.
I think a drink is, as Lou bega says…”a sign of gentility.”
If a woman is after you to buy her anything other than coffee, tea or a drink…maybe a Tylenol 2 pack..LOL …..NO!
I know a lady, I would like to say she is my friend, but friend has a deep meaning to me and she doesn’t meet the criteria with her attitude.
She does this with guys, and brags about the things he is going to buy her.
I am sorry, but the funny thing is…he gets his “piece” of the action and well hey? Weren’t you supposed to be on a cruise right now? LOL Never pans out…rightfully so!!!!!!!!!!
I hate men using women for sex, money ….and visa versa.
Theresa;
“…As a woman, I spend a damn lot of money to look pretty
Happy New Year to all: Back to the basics for sure. Treat others as you would like to be treated. Respectful always seems to work. I never have wandering eyes, girls notice when look directly always. If i ask someone out, i always pay, and if i’m asked i will fight for the bill because i’m a gentlemen. Most woman i have dated like to pay when they ask, or if you have paid a few times. Seems to be a respectful action for them as well. I have the gift of gab, so its easy to talk to people. But i have always found being a GUY! Girls will let you know if they are interested. I’m not a bar guy, so i’ll see you around town.
Have a great week.
It depends on his circumstances. I was dating a returning college student for awhile who could only ever get a part-time job due to the times that his classes were offered. Lots of times I bought if we were doing dinner. It’s just inconsiderate not to pay attention to their situations.
Bertie: Exactly! You are a nice girl!
If I liked bars I might buy a guy a drink. I’ve certainly bought them a coffee. Lou & Jim you’re so right! Being considerate never goes out of style!
I miss my manicures! I splurge on the hair, and always have someone do the do! I do pay for the higher end makeup, but outside of having to toss the mascara every twelve weeks its not that costly. I occasionally splurge on the massage therapist, but having dated one for a bit……I got kinda spoiled with the mutual body worshiping. They make designer purses????lol. I’m carrying a little back pack…..
Theresa & Joan
How about the
Thank you Jim & Lou!
Bertie, joan, Theresa, Bria et al.,
I need some info about the american dating league. When a lady or guy says, i once dated so and so e.g dated 19 guys in six months, what does the statement mean? What does the word dating encompass? Going out for coffee, dinner, blah, blah with the intention of knowing @ other or plus the
Lou,
That’s a contextual thing. You need to know the person in question. I’d say if she’s not being financially supported by someone else, she hasn’t slept with that many in six months. It does take us awhile to choose sometimes, and we have to work, keep ourselves and our abodes cared for…that all takes time. Does this concern you because of your moral values? Do you think you would be incompatible based on that alone?
And have you priced good lingerie lately? Cripes, it’s expensive to be a girl!!!
Lou, “dutch” is a great system sometimes, especially in certain circumstances, as Bertie pointed out with her college student example. However, if my date makes 6-figures compared to my peon salary, I’m not feeling a smidge of guilt if he takes me to the most expensive place in town and we don’t split the check. The guy I’m seeing now has children to support. We stay in a lot and take turns when we go out.
Joan – I never thought about the idea of men buying me gifts. Maybe I’m missing something, but outside a committed relationship, that feels like he’s trying to buy my affection. On the other hand, if he helps me replace my garbage disposal, I’m putty in his hands. Am I contradicting myself?
I don’t think so. I spent last weekend finishing drywall at a house he’s flipping.
Hey if you find one that’ll do a porch or at least lead me around a little bit while I do it, send him my way. My front deck is driving me nuts, but that’s a long story.
I’m the person that dated 19 guys in 6 months. I slept with one (the person I’m with now). I started the process with a good idea of what I was looking for and never felt that I compromised my values.
“Dated” means that I went on at least one date with each man. Sometimes I went out with the same guy 3 or 4 more times, sometimes it was just the one time. Sometimes the date ended with a kiss (or after a couple dates, lots of kissing and stuff), and sometimes a hug or a handshake. The idea was to enjoy meeting and spending time with men who might be compatible for a longer relationship. A few of the men decided that I wasn’t what they were looking for (they rejected me). In other cases, we mutually agreed that we weren’t a good romantic match. And in other cases, I decided I didn’t want to see them again (rejecting them).
I keep in touch with several of the men as friends. It’s definitely been a very rich and enjoyable process.
Bertie,
Thanks for the info. Actually i just wanted to make sure that i understand the contextural meaning of the term dating. Let me get abit abit specific. when does it qualify to become a date? A person is obese when his or her BMI is greater than 25. When is a date a date?
Did you make arrangements to go out and do something together? If you met up at the coffee machine, copy machine, or the water cooler its not a date.
Theresa & Bertie,
Thanks for the info. Now i understand. A date can be a date even if it doesnt involve the extras…I intend to go on as many dates as possible coz i am at the searching stage of a life-long partner..Ofcourse being the good guy brought up by a nice mum, i dont have any intentions of leaving behind any heart-broken souls!
Theresa: Glad that u find a nice guy..My journey is gonna be abit longer coz i am interested in marriage now!!
Good evening everyone,
Once again, it is always a great pleasure to see the usual gang of suspects here: Theresa (do Midwest girls really rock? LOL), Bertie, Joan, Lou Bega, Bria-Dear, and everyone else gathered on this wonderful occasion! (Monday’s over-let’s celebrate!) LOL.
So many things to comment on with this blog, so feel free to pull up a chair, croon some tunes (Neil Diamond in honor of David lol) and sit back to read….
David mentioned in this blog it’s pretty easy to see why women are guarded at bars. I suppose if you heard every line in the book, you’d relate to it as well. Women know what to expect, and they know what the end result is going to be. It’s like going into a car dealership and just waiting to hear the old-fashioned “What will it take to get you into this _______ today? (insert name of the car there).
I have never been much for meeting people at bars or happy hours. Sometimes after work, I’ll go out by myself to the local restaurant (usually Houlihan’s), and from a table I will observe what I see-it’s one long bar row, each seat has about six or seven people surrounding it, while they’re yelling at the bartender for a Bud or Corona. If you actually think you have a chance to meet someone at a happy hour, you’d have a better chance of getting a seat catching the 6:55 a.m. Long Island Railroad train from Hicksville…good luck to you, and vaya con dios. Women don’t care about the guys who come up to them, they want to sit back, drink, and bull—- about the week’s events. Again, it’s about observation. If the party is invitation only (i.e. a group of close-knit friends), the odds are not in your favor.
The major turn off about the bar scene is this: It’s too damn loud and you can’t carry on a conversation. I don’t enjoy having to shout “What?” every ten seconds because the DJ is playing too loud. After having that exchange go back and forth, you’re better off exiting. And David mentioned this in the “Don’t Be Him” segment. It’s OK to admit you don’t belong somewhere at a given point in time.
David’s comment about feeling like meat on a grill struck an interesting chord with me. It made me think of a singles event that a local radio statio held here. WHTZ-FM in New York City (OK, so technically they’re based in Hoboken, N.J., http://z100.com for those interested, and yes it’s a shameless plug) for a few years held the “Meet Market,” for single women to locate single guys. I don’t want someone gawking at me and examining me over. Maybe for some women, they enjoy that, but to me, this event sounds like a sleazy way to meet someone.
The truth be told, I don’t think there’s any one universal routine that works, each situation is different. David’s right about that. This past weekend, I heard a line that really was cheesy. I was in line at the local Barnes & Noble buying the latest edition of the Washingtonian magazine, and as the cashier called out “Next,” this guy went up to her. I could tell from the woman’ body language she was intrigued, and flirty, she was getting the giggles. As I continued to observe, she was asking him if he wanted to join the Barnes & Noble Frequent Buyer Club. (Ah, the joys of retail). His response was “Oh I was thinking maybe I could interest you in joining the Mile High Club.” Right then and there, the girl’s expression changed, and she went back to her stoic “6.50, please.” It was evident that whatever interest she had was just vaporized with that comment.
While I do not frequent drinking bars, I often hang out at karaoke bars. Maybe it’s because I stutter, but I do not stutter when I sing, and I can sing really well. While most people refuse to get up there unless they have liquid courage, I am not afraid. If only that translated into success elsewhere. Although my most memorable experience was singing “Lost In Your Eyes” to this incredibly gorgeous girl in the audience, too bad her boyfriend didn’t enjoy it as much as she did haha.
Thank you for reading.
-SK.
Hi Theresa,
I am sure it is expensive being a girl, so here’s a thought-next time you go to a formal party, instead of spending money on a gown, go with a tux instead and you can make everyone’s jaw drop. Just kidding of course lol.
-SK.
Steven,
Thanks for the great post. U dont cease to amaze me with your interesting posts….Now, great that u have a great voice. We can actually make lots of money out that talent with yoz trully as the manager!! Seriously think abt it, we can give all these crapy singers a run for the voices & money. I magine the fame, money, globe-trotting and all the extras associated with stars.. Think abt it & let me know what u think asap..
Yay! Steven K is here!
The tux idea sounds kinda fun. With a little creativity, a great pair of shoes and the right accessories, it could be very striking.
Yes, midwest girls rock.
I’ve lived several places and traveled a lot. There are wonderful people EVERYWHERE. However, I like living in Iowa because the people tend to be open, friendly and polite. Sometimes I feel like I live in fairytale land. I live in a great little city (big 10 University) with lots of art & music, a low crime rate, and a solid economy. Sometimes I miss the big city, but Chicago is only a few hours away.
Your car sales pitch is right on target! (you understand A LOT). When I start hearing that particular “tone” or “come-on”, I start looking for my escape.
I wish I could hear you sing. I was just thinking about the men in my life who have sung to me. It may seem like a romantic cliche, but I remember those moments fondly.
“I was dating a returning college student for awhile who could only ever get a part-time job due to the times that his classes were offered. “It
Steven K;
…” I often hang out at karaoke bars. Maybe it
My Joe, aren’t you just the cheeky one tonight! I just make it a personal habit to never go on a date that I can’t pay for. I’ve made one hideous mistake thinking with my undies and while it did give me three great kids, its still not one I care to repeat. I figure if I can stumble once, I can totally misread another one, and then there was Mr Aspartame…..lol. Now there’s a story in self control.
Steven K,
What you heard in the B&N was below cheesy….
How lame. Sorry very judgmental on this one because there’s nothing worse than pulling out your playful banner to see if theres some chemistry and a man launches into the get into your undies routine. Mile high club….please. I’m not really sure where you’d put two people in those bathrooms and that’s really taking performance art to a new level if you’re talking about doing that even in first class.
One time I was out at a bar with my girlfriend when this guy and his friend sat down beside me. I didn’t have high expectations for him and this was confirmed after he opened his mouth. After about 45 minutes, he tapped me on the shoulder and when I looked over at him and he said to me” My friend and I were hoping that you could answer a question for us.” Ok, I responded. And this was his question: “Can you tell me and my friend why you girls can be such psychos after a break-up?” Or, something to that affect. Gimme a break. Yes, this is not your typical “pick up” line, I’ll agree. But, here’s a tip – putting us women down in an attempt to start a conversation is NOT the best way to go if you’d like any positive outcome.
Dates to me are getting to know someone. Unfortunately, they can mean different things to different people.
And as far as the guy paying….this is a hard one for me b/c, to be honest, when I’m first getting to know a guy I feel really uncomfortable at their paying. I’d rather approach the encounter in “dutch” fashion. For me, it takes the pressure off. I just never know what to do with this.
And while we’re on the subject….I’ve been watching some of David’s Utube videos giving tips to men and in some of them he makes reference to “not spending much”, being cost effective” and such. I totally understand the finance thing with men, but it comes across like you guys kinda resent the financial investment dating involves. Personally, like I said above, I’d prefer to pay my own way. But, when I have offered to do this in the past – the guys have gotten offended as if this was a form of immasculation? Uh, what do you want? Help, I’m lost on this.
Finally, one last question….of you regular posters here, have all of you sought out David’s coaching? Or, only a few? Just curious who is former clients and who isn’t.
Thanks, Bria
Hi Theresa, and good evening,
I had a giant smile as big as the Great Wide Open when I read your greeting “Yay! Steven K is here!” LOL. Usually in my neck of the woods, the greetings with a “yo,” a “How you doin,” and if I’ve done something really irritating, it’s followed by a few f-bombs for good measure.
And to reply, to quote the immortal words of New York native (and I’m so ashamed she’s from New York, just like some people think Texas should be ashamed the Dixie Chicks hail from there) Paris Hilton, “that’s hot” imaging you with right shoes and accessories making the tux flatter your figure…what were you thinking of going with lol
And you never did answer what might happen if a New Yorker and Iowan got together….I don’t know much about Iowa other than it’s Hawkeye Country and there used to be a minor league hockey team called the Quad City Mallards, hope they’re still there
-SK.
Hi Joan,
I’m up for a challenge if you’re willing to go mano-a-mano, loser buys dinner for the entire restaurant lol. Maybe Lou Bega and I can have some impromptu jam sessions lol.
-SK
Hi Bertie,
To be honest at first, I had no idea what the Mile High Club was, I really thought it was a special luxury suite at a Colorado Avalanche NHL home game lol.
-SK.
Steven;
Maybe “challenge was the wrong word. I meant you sing the lead and I would do alto, or improvisation…whatever my ear was hearing at the time.
I hear 5 and 6 parts sometimes…it is a crazy thing I know..but I do hear things not written and it is freaking wonderful!!
I don’t read a lick of a music. I just play piano and guitar by ear, and singing is no different.
I am a peculiar person indeed.
Steven,
LOL! Either way it was way too soon to blurt out let me in your panties…..A guy has to be smarter than that to lasso in the talented girls.
Joan, well Joan i’m doing o.k.? i’ve been remodeling my room, working, and of course writing.
” I hear 5 and 6 parts sometimes
Steven,
It’s a wonderful thing to know that I made you smile so.
And now you’re making me smile (and blush a little) with your flattery.
If I were 10 years younger and single, I think I’d be very interested in personally testing the idea of a New Yorker and an Iowan.
Go Hawks!
Joe;
LOL
..”Bertie, your undies, my place Joan says i need a doctors note, but what i really need is a nurse
Yes Joe,
Two things though, I’m not wearing any at the moment……..and as long as you don’t make any cracks about sponge baths. I really prefer a spa tub.
lol, Bertie you crack me up. no undies, yummy.
cheers,
Joe
Joan, i didnt mean it that sense of the word, but you understand what i mean. you know what you are Joan, beautiful, and passion, artistic and all lady..
but most of all you’re Joan.
cheers,
Joe
Well Joe, who wears undies to bed unless you have someone there to take them off for you?
i do!, maybe it’s hope or hopelessness lol
cheers,
Joe
Joe;
Yes, I understood what you meant. Thank you for your sincerity in your compliments…I am very appreciative that you see every facet of me….most of all JOAN… Thank you so very much Joe. Cheers to you
Joe???????
How do you make the face with the tongue sticking out?? I need that sometimes and there is no way to improvise that one…lol.
Show me the code..or I guess tell me. If you show it, all I am going to get is a tongue sticking out at me.
LOL! I’m not talkin about sleepin in them exclusively. I’ve got on pj bottoms….which reminds me, its getting late, and I’m determined to work tomorrow. The heathens and their colds….it turned into a terrible sinus infection, and the doctor took me off work until I had a few days on the antibiotics, while understandable, has given me a bad case of cabin fever.
Bertie;
Bless you heart. It must be a sinus thing making its rounds. I wake up feeling like my head is ready to explode.
They say if you have never had sinus problems if you stay here in these parts of the Texas region, you will know it sooner or later.
This is why I must get the hell out of this area. They say towards Austin it is not so humid….I beg to differ.
Cabin fever sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I cannot do it for more than a day and by then I am irritable.
I have to be VERY sick to be in bed…………… or very blessed…LOL!!!!!
Has everyone abandoned blog? Well I guess it is my turn to bail out or jump overboard.
Joe, I really do want the symbol for the tongue sticking out icon.
Good night blog buddies.
Joan,
Its very humid here too just not hot. I have a tiny nose according to my friends and my Ear, Nose, and Throat doctor. Every time I see him at the hospital he marvels at my nose. I think he’s terribly proud of his work.
Joan here the how you make a the smiley, : P =
colon,P
bertie,Joan, it’s too fucking hot here in boston,(for me at least) i miss the frigid temps, it’s about 53, too friggin warm! yes i know i’m the snow miser, i could never live where you gals live, way too hot, i need cold, what can i say i’m a polar bear, the grey wolf.. lol
Cheers,
Joe
Hey Dunga,
I just thought you should know, some girls won’t get serious or exclusive with a guy if he doesn’t buy her something…and it’s not because they are money grubbers or anything. A lot of us ladies run into a lot of guys who can’t take care of themselves, let alone another person and sometimes we need a guy to take care of us — especially in a realtionship.
Heck a lot of guys out there are really looking for a lady who will do all the things his mom used to do for him (dishes, laundry, cook) plus suck his d*&%. Now if that isn’t sick I don’t know what is.
Anyway, if a guy can afford to buy us dinner or a movie it’s like a cue that he CAN take care of himself and maybe us too. For some ladies this isn’t a concious decision or anything. Just a place their brain goes.
Personally, I don’t mind paying for myself. But I am really gratefull when a guy will pay for me and it does make me think that maybe he’s a keeper.
So never say never my darling.
Hey Bria Dear…
If a guy had asked me
bitter as the cold, bites like the frost.
Cheers,
Joe
Bertie;
“I think he
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LOL dang it! I ruined my whole post getting that wrong. The previous was a practice run…now I am going to abuse this silly icon because….I can! LOL
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa LOL
JOE;
WTH am I doing wrong???????????????????????
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brava Joan, …. brava! Joan, thats so embarassing, blow up dolls, fleshlight etc, waste of money in my opinion.
CJ how is buying Gifts for a women, prove that a men can take care of himself!?!?!?!
” Heck a lot of guys out there are really looking for a lady who will do all the things his mom used to do for him (dishes, laundry, cook) plus suck his d*&%. Now if that isn
Steven K, Steven K, Steven K,
When are you going to stop saying the world “ALL” with each of your posts? All women, All Jewish Women, All New Yorkers, All Lawyers, All Bars, All On-line Dating Profiles…..
Well, my friend you sure have a chip on your shoulder that is goes waaaay beyond your
stuttering problem.
“I have supported when you felt like Mystery Girl was offending you, but now I have to believe that your negativity is hindering your life and that you are letting it overtake you. The only way you are going to get any help from David on dating is first to work on you. And the first step is to learn that the world is not against you and that this negative attitude of yours is never going to get you a date nor a feeling of true happiness.
I for one am a Jewish girl who is not a JAP. I am NOT a women who cares what a man makes or what he does for a living. I DO care about the men who approach me in a bar. NO I don’t just like to sit with the girls and gab. When I was on-line dating I WASN’T like every other girl on the site. etc. etc. etc…..So, I think the first step in this New Year is to stop categorizing people, places and things.
It’s time you read how you really sound:
“If you actually think you have a chance to meet someone at a happy hour, you
Lou Bega:
Buying a drink in a bar for a woman is, above all, a waste of money. Gentility and five bucks will get you a drink in a bar. If you get a girl attracted to you, whether in a bar or elsewhere, you don’t need to buy her anything. She’ll run through a gauntlet of pit bulls while wearing pork-chop underwear to be with you. If you don’t get her attracted, it doesn’t matter what you buy her. It won’t accomplish anything except depleting your bankroll, and the longer she’s around, the more red ink you can expect.
Theresa:
If I ask for a date I’ll pay for the goods, as most quality guys wil. Just don’t expect a lot–like I said, a cup of Joe (or something comparable) but no more–until I become serious, exclusive, and yes, physical with a girl. Otherwise, I figure she’s trying to milk me for freebies.
CJ:
Just for the record, I can pull my own weight, as I have for 30 years now. Concur that if you don’t want a mama’s boy, you should not get mixed up with one. That said, I expect a woman to be equally independent and able to take care of herself. Which means, among other things, buying her own drinks, paying her own rent/mortgage, doing her own laundry, etc. Not only that, dinner is about the last thing I would want to make a date for, especially early on. It is too boring, for one thing. Guys: Save the dinner dates for until after you are serious, exclusive, and physical. In the beginnng, do something fun instead. One of my favorite second dates is, believe it or not, miniature golf. If she doesn’t like miniature golf, she need an attitude adjustment that I am not in a position to provide. In short, she flunks.
I’ve got my asbestos underwear on in anticiption of the flames I’m about to get from some of the women. Which is because they don’t want their freebies to dry up. They might have to start bringing money with them when they go out clubbing. Perish the thought!
The DUTCH fashion?
So we Dutchmen don’t pay?!
When the date is on my invitation, I pay.
Otherwise, we’ll split.
Wikipedia on “Going Dutch”:
“The phrase “going Dutch” probably originates from Dutch etiquette. In the Netherlands, it is not unusual to pay separately when going out as a group. When dating in a 1 on 1 situation however, the man will most commonly pay for meals and drinks.”
However:
“[...] Examples include Dutch courage, Dutch uncle and Dutch wife. The particular stereotype associated with this usage is the idea of Dutch people as ungenerous and selfish.”
LOL
Joan,
Yes the doctor still marvels that anything could come out of my nose. He did all sorts of tortuous things to my nose and sinuses. Thankfully I’ve lasted eight years without having to have the procedure redone which makes me a minor miracle.
Joe,
Its not even close to 53 here. It does get warm during the summer, but folks start to whine about the heat when it reaches 70 here.
Dunga,
You seem to be overly preoccupied with your cash flow. Just for the record, I am quite self sufficient, and I think most of the women here have pointed out that we’re not dating for gifts.
Shannon,
While I’ll agree women don’t sit and talk about silly stuff, and you can meet people at happy hours, its just not the place if you’re going to be productive at it. You’re absolutely right that Steven won’t be successful until he adjusts his attitude a bit….
Con’t.
When I lived in San Francisco I had learned this random act of kindness on another level that I hadn’t experienced before in any other city I lived in. Drivers on the Golden Gate Bridge (I worked in Marin County) would randomly pay the toll for the driver behind them. When this first happened I was shocked. My thought was, “That person in front of me didn’t even know me”. So, I figured in return paid for the driver behind me and the thread would continue until….who knows.
What I am basically saying is that when you give to someone or something you should do so without the intent of getting something back. You give because want to. Sometimes you give even if you don’t want to, but in those cases it usually means had to give to keep things kosher.
When a guy buys a drink for a girl and only gets a Thank You and a smile without getting a date, trust me it isn’t the end of the world for him. What’s a few bucks anyway? Guys this is important to know when you are going out to meet someone for coffee or a drink.
You will instantly make a bad impression if you pay for a $3.00 cup of coffee.
Dunga,
Yes, I do believe that the first drink should be paid by the man. That’s just kind of the polite thing to do. However, after that first drink it could go either way. If the date is going you’ll want to pay the total tab. If you could tell things aren’t going past the first date then hopefully she has class and will offer split the bill. Now you have two ways to go. You can either accept her offer, or you can thank her for her gesture but tell her no worries that you’ll take care of it.
Bria,
I always offer to split the bill, but once my date tells me to not worry about it I say “Thank You”. However, if we both valet parked our cars I tell him that I got his valet tip unless he argues with me about that too. The kind of man who offers to pay for everything on the first date is someone with class, which to me is an important quality. Now there are men who may disagree with me on this and that’s okay. Chances are they aren’t someone that I would have much in common with we would most likely disagree on many other things, and I am not looking to date a sparring partner.
Lou,
Now you are a classy man. Your comment that you offer to pay for the dinner as a gesture of a lovely day. That’s exactly what it is, a kind gesture.
Dunga/Joe,
What’s a few bucks?
Steven,
Lastly, I have to say that I was quite surprised that you never heard of the “mile high club” before. Even my 10 year old niece knows what that means. I’m curious, who finally told you what it meant? Also, you mentioned in another post that you had an ex-girlfriend in the past. Can I ask you how she could have been an ex-girlfriend when you mentioned that you have never even kissed a girl before?
S
Joe;
“…Heck a lot of guys out there are really looking for a lady who will do all the things his mom used to do for him (dishes, laundry, cook) plus suck his d*&%. Now if that isn
Joe, Dunga…
Fellas, I don’t deserve your venom for telling you how it is. I stand by my original post. I’ve been a woman for 28 years. I know quite a bit about them. You might do well to heed the information I offer to you about them.
Furthermore, I said “some ladies.” I was just offering you some insight into femininity. You don’t have to pay. But if you refuse to pay you may miss out on some nice gals. Just like ladies who refuse to date men unless they pay miss out on some great fellas.
Joe, am offended by your comment about “what kind of guys am I dating.” Obviously I’m not looking for a mamas boy. I didn’t even say I dated those kinds of guys. I just know them I know they exist and I see them everywhere!
There is nothing wrong with a girl trying to avoid such a man. Even if her methods include only dating men who are willing to pay for dates. People protect themselves in all sorts of ways.
I also think it is rude of you to call me bitter. You don’t know me and I don’t think you know the definition of the word bitter. (A definition can be found here: http://www.webster.com/dictionary/bitter.) Bitterness isn’t necesarily a bad thing. Just expressive of pain. And for all you know any pain I have may be completely justified.
I don’t know if you are an angry man or if you just use very angry words when you respond, but I frequently feel like you are overreacting. And I feel like you are overreacting in this case.
Furthermore, Joe and Dunga, your venomous and defensive responses (respectively) make me wonder if ytou feel inadequate about the amount of money you earn. Or if perhaps you are very wealthy and somehow fear you will miss out on love because a soulless woman will pursue you based on your wealth.
Dunga
I did not mean to suggest that you were a mama’s boy or that you couldn’t pull your own weight. I’m sorry that you felt like that’s what I was getting at. What I was getting at is that Rules like “never pay for a date” may ultimately work against you with some women.
Ladies (Bertie, Joan, Shannon, etc.) thanks for the support on the guys paying for dates matter. I appriciate you chiming in on my side of the “it’s nice and I appriciate it when the guys pay…”
For everyone else. I will be honest with you. As a young professional I barely have the money for rent, let a lone a date. I’m creative and I can think of a lot of fun free stuff to do, but if a guy asks me to dinner it’s much better for me if he can pay otherwise, sometimes I can’t go. But I don’t date guys to get free dinners.
CJ,
I understand your plight in regards to being a young professional who is just getting by financially. All of us here have been through those times as young adults. However, I have to pass on some wisdom to you. It is imperative as a women to always have money or credit card on hand when going on a date. As the following story describes why.
My sister went to a friend’s get together and me this great guy. This guy and her hit it off real well and decided to make plans for a date.
Scott, the guy, picked my sister up and they went out on a real nice dinner date. At the end of the date Scott went to get his wallet to pay for the meal. He felt for his wallet in his coat and didn’t feel it. Only then did he realize that he took the wrong coat with him to dinner and left his wallet at home. After a shared laugh between the two of them Lori, my sister, paid for the meal as well as the valet bill.
The date was still great and Scott even asked if he could give her a kiss goodnight. Lori didn’t hesitate to say yes.
Jump ahead 16 years. Lori and Scott are honestly the most perfectly fit couple ever, happily married, and have given me the most adorable, most fun 5 year old nephew in the world.
Could you imagine if she thought he was an idiot for forgetting his wallet?
Even though I was a Girl Scout, I follow the Boy Scout rule of, “Always be Prepared”.
BTW, David where is the box that used to be next to the Submit Comment that said Inform me of any follow up comments to this post?
S
Shannon,
Thanks for the story! It was a wonderful illustration! This is why I never go on a date I can’t pay for. Its only money, and while yes there is never quite enough to go around, it isn’t the be all and end all. It won’t buy you happiness, and maybe you can rent your happiness, but money never is as impressive as you thought it was.
CJ,
Try not to get too upset by it. Dunga will dig his own hole with his putter. Joe’s told me I’m bitter a time or two as well. I don’t let it bother me because I know the truth. I’m the only one who’s lived in my situation. Yeah I get really nasty about things, but its generally indignant MOM anger, and there’s really little point in arguing over MOM anger. As for cooking, cleaning, and sucking his dick, well I usually just tell them I’m average at the first two, but I excel at making my own money and that last part…..As Joan said, I think you can learn an awful lot about a man by the way he treats his mother.
Oh, and don’t go on about how much experience you’ve had but rather your different perspective because of your age. There are a few of us with more than a couple of years on ya! lol.
shannon/CJ
oi oi oi! here now lass’s lets not bloody get me mix up with Dunga here! aye? any long blogger on here knows i’m not like Dunga, i dont care about money. i’ll spend on my date if the date calls for it. my point is would you rather get a gifts or actually have a real and deep connection with a person? seem to me this “who pays” shit. is fucking stupid…. all i’m saying is go out have fun, keep an open mind and see where it goes. my point being ladies, is that dating should have nothing to do with money.
take the point in shannon story about her sister, that is so wonderful, that is my point….
” Could you imagine if she thought he was an idiot for forgetting his wallet? ”
my point exactly shannon’s sister kept an open mind, and now she happily married and has a wonderful son.
it has nothing to do with who rich or poor, or who pays…what it does have to do with is getting to know a person, find that someone you can connect with on a deep and personal level. how can you do that if your following these stupid fucking dating rule. theres one rule in dating according to david and that is there are no rules.
vemonous? CJ? i think you mixing me up with dunga, i dont not agree with what he saids. any women on here that know me personally who tell you that i’m far from vemonous. but thank you for making me out as some kind of creep, caveman, or some kind of gianni schicchi or a miserly fuck. i’m a gentlemen and i would proudly pay for my date. but i dont see what that has to do with anything with this blog and men being the selector.
cheers,
Joe
Pete,
Pete, het Nederlandse is de meeste friendiest mensen in Europa naast de Zweeds en Noren. Het enige ding dat ik over het Nederlandse haat, is… hoe ben ik nam aan de taal te leren indien u kerels altijd spreken Engels eisen. LOL
Cheers,
Joe
cj, one more think, i didnt called you bitter, i think what you wrote was a little bitter thats all. no worries.
Cheers,
Joe
First of all, just when you thought a blog was done and dusted for the day, wham a fistfight breaks out! Calm down peoples were all friends here.
Secondly, Darkpoet is right, if you go into a date with pre-determined rules or a hidden agenda, you’re missing the forest for the trees. Its simple I know and has been mentioned here a number of times in amongst all the bull, you should be going out to GET TO KNOW SOMEONE. Have we not heeded anything David has taught us?
Ding Ding Ding
End of round 2.
Never go into date with any type of rules or an agenda.
Always be open to anything!!!!
Thanks Sam for the moderation.
CJ,
I’m not the least bit bitter about anything, and certainly not about the money I make. I retired from fulltime work 3 years ago at the age of 44. I work part time to have something to do, and to help people out.
Rather, the reason I made the points did is that trying to buy female attention will only attract parasites and goldiggers, precisely the type of attention no guy needs. If I’m going to pay for what I want from women, to wit, sex, I’ll pay for it one hour at a time. In my tax bracket especially, it is a lot more cost effective to do it that way. Buying a woman’s attention simply does not work in any other context, and for precisely that reason I don’t do it.
Bertie:
I’m less concerned with my cash flow than I am with tactics that don’t work. You only have to watch this scenario happen once: The girl you just bought a drink for, takes it to the booth, in the back, in the corner, in the dark, to play tonsil hockey with the mop-haired jerk she rolled in with in between sips of your drink; to learn your lesson. While you may not date for gifts, there are plenty of leeches out there who do.
And, BTW, my putter gets worked by a lot more holes than yours.
Joan:
Go out and get fucked a couple of times, then once your attitude improves enough for me to have an intelligent discussion with you, let me know.
Dunga
Rather, the reason I made the points did is that trying to buy female attention will only attract parasites and goldiggers, precisely the type of attention no guy needs. If I’m going to pay for what I want from women, to wit, sex, I’ll pay for it one hour at a time.
I live in Los Angeles and have seen way to many men make that mistake.
Can we say lets go for a ride in the car that their money did not buy.
http://www.millionairesclub123.com
http://www.modelsformillionaires.com
Matchmakers for men…….who want to believe that these women will actually love them for what is inside.
I am covered with golddiggers all over the place here but never ever would waste a penny on them.
A fuck is a fuck and why pay a goldigger for something that is free.
Dunga,
How can you say you’re not bitter when you trash me like that? I don’t care about your dick or your putter and you need to back up there a bit bud. All you did right there is make it patently obvious to even a coma victim that you’re bitter.
Bertie
A lot of men have been taken for a ride for women…..but they did allow that to happen.
I call my coaching Golddigger insurance.
I have coached many men from falling for the pussy trap,
The woman that has zero interest in anything but their wallet.
LA, Dallas….NYC…Miami
All big cities are full of them.
The men need to wake up and not be so sucked in by some hot piece of ass and dig deeper.
I can spot a golddigger from the second she opens her collagen enhanced lips…but so many men have no idea how to stay away.
Its like a drug for them and they get what they ask for….a nasty divorce that costs them half of their hard earned money.
David,
Ok, I get that, and I’m sorry that it happens, I’ve only done that once, at seventeen because Marie and I didn’t have any weed, but that in no way justifies the hole comment. I actually feel bad about smoking his stuff, but did he think he was going to get a piece of ass for a few hits off a joint?
>>>>>>A fuck is a fuck and why pay a goldigger for something that is free.
Nice quote David!!
Wow, this was fun reading….all of you are affecting my work performance damn it:-)
Bertie
I think the hole comment was a heat in the moment comment.
David,
I’m sure it was, and rather petty as well.
Dan;
“>>>>>>A fuck is a fuck…”
Really now? LOL You haven’t been with a wild woman in bed have you???
It will make you yell F%$#, F%$# over and over!!!!!
Woeeeeeee baby!!
I stand neutral here. Do I see some dischord….
DAVID:
the tangle webs we weaver…
cheers,
Joe
Joe,
My friend, I would never put you in the same category as Dunga. I think I was only commenting on your post about “who cares who pays” part. However, I did go back and reread your post and realized that you said that you do pay for your dates if you asked them out. Sorry, if made you feel like bitter Dunga. What the hell does Dunga mean anyway? LOL
David,
Thanks for putting the Notify Me box back on the blog. Now I will know when there is a new post to your blogs that I have commented on.
Hahaha,
Joe!
Us chaps always speaking English demand…
Haha the order of words is messed up :]
Dank je, voor je compliment -buigt-
Piet
Shannon, thanks for the wallet story. My point was, I am sure when I go out on a date that I have enough for the date, otherwise I can’t go. But I appriciate your post a great deal and good for your sister!
Joe, I just wanted to point out to you that you used very angry language in your post to me. Also I’m sorry I put you in the same category as Dunga, but you were makeing similar comments to me.
The whole point of my initial post was that a person shouldn’t make dating rules. Man, sometimes I wonder if you guys read what I write!
I am amazed that this topic has gotten so heated especially since I have never had a guy even consider buying my affections. I honestly have to look out for the lazy bastards who don’t work and want me to take care of them. Seriously!
Maybe things are just too different here in the midwest compared to LA LA Land.
pete, i barely speak dutch, i’m just good with germanic languages.
i speak some german,swedish and italian. i know i would mess up the words. lol
cheers,
Joe
Cj,
so no hard feeling aye?
whatever, shit happens, and no, worries, how about this!
if you happened to take a trip to boston, i’ll take you out (i’ll pay)
Cheers,
Joe
Wow, and I thought this blog was done a day or so ago.
How can one tell a woman is a “gold-digger” from the moment she opens her mouth? What does she say? what’s her body language?
I have lived in Miami, Los Angeles and, to me, the mother of all gold-digger cities, Phoenix, AZ. People are people no matter how much money they have. When I lived in Los Angeles and worked in the movie business I was surrounded by people with money. All these movie stars, producers and agents with their million-dollar this and that…and their “call ya-luv ya-mean it, babe” ways…but some of the shittiest people I met. AND, they were also some of the most unhappy people I ever met, too. Yes, there were exceptions – I happen to be fortuntate to work for a movie star who was very down to earth and happy – but money didn’t bring these people security, love or happiness. It only brought out more of what they already were inside!
Bria
Bria
Golddiggers…its just a feeling i get by the way they look at you and carry themselves.
You have lived here so you know what i saying.
I cant explain this one……its a feeling i get and i am rarely wrong.
Its also what they are wearing and when their job does not match the lifestyle they talk about.
The woman in gucci from head to toe that is between administrative jobs…yet she leaves the parking lot ina 6 series bmw
there are the obvious ones like that one and then the ones that i just get the chills the second i meet them:)
Ah, see, I leave town for a few days and look what happens: I miss 94 comments of David & Company goodness.
I do not use bars as a hang-out spot. Ever. They’re not my choice for places to go to alleviate boredom, meet up with the girls or check the guy stock. The stories I hear are of nothing but horror and mediocrity. It’s usually dimly lit so you can’t really see the person you’re talking to, whom, by the way, has usually had a few already. May then buy you one? No. Because you’re trying to buy my conversation. I don’t sell conversation, I give it, and I give it to those who earn it.
That’s the first step in befriending- prove worthy of my time, personality and intellect. I don’t have friends I can’t talk to. Those are called acquaintances.
Bars are just bad news to me. The same people, the same times, the same stupid wannabe conversation starters.
And I’m not judging anyone, but it seems that, in my neck of the woods at least, a certain type of people usually end up at bars. I could be wrong, I could be way off the mark. But when I do end up at bars that’s the way it looks. That being as it may, showing up to said bar seems to automatically slip me into that same category, attracting the men I’ve watched try to shmooze every female within in a two-mile radius.
Gold diggers are a complete and total waste of my time. And if you try, I am not ashamed or shy about letting you know it.
It’s one thing to make an effort and dress nicely for a dinner out, etc., but it is completely different to prance about in all your billion dollars blah blah just so everyone knows you have it. Really, it makes me steer clear of you. It makes me wonder exactly how big your ego is and what I need to do to avoid chumps like you. The clothes don’t make the man and if they do, you’re not a man at all. You’re dry cleaning.
David –
Yep, you’re right. Having lived in LA, I do know EXACTLY what you’re talking about. And, I also agree that it is hard to describe the feeling. You just KNOW it. You just feel their insincerity and sense their ulterior motives. I guess one just has to live there in order to fully understand. So, I’m with ya.
But, Los Angeles has a different “gold-digger” feel to me, though, b/c it isn’t just about someone’s wealth. It’s also about tapping into their network/their CONNECTIONS along with their wealth. As you know, that is how that town runs. Who you know is almost, if not paramount, to what you know. That isn’t always a bad thing and is not just indicative of LA either. But, I think b/c of the fame and notoriety surrounding the entertainment business, it heightens this business practice moreso.
Do you like LA better than the East Coast?
Bria
Just one thought about this “gold-digger” topic . . .
For all that men seem to really object to these kind of women, they still exist to the extent they do clearly because there are men who don’t care about a woman’s . . . intentions.
Joe, I would be honored! We don’t even have to spend any money I’d rather have you just show me around. I’ve yet to make it east of the Mississippi River and I’d love to have you as a tour guide in a historic town like Boston!
About this golddigger stuff…wouldn’t everyone like a sugar daddy or sugar momma? I know I would love it for a year or two. But not because I don’t want to work. I htink if I had someone supporting me I could finally finish a book or two and I would have to sell my stories and my life one hour at a time.
pls send me write up about how to surcced in geting a woman on the dating site,and pls send me 15 correct dating site around the world