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		<title>By: Facundo</title>
		<link>http://www.davidwygant.com/blog/cave-home-for-sale-and-the-best-bar-opener-ever/1349/#comment-23685</link>
		<dc:creator>Facundo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EARLY CAUSES PART 1
Community Reinvestment Act passed in &#039;92 by Clinton (though Bush I would have also passed it).
This was a mandate for government mortgage creditors to make it easier for middle and low income families to receive a mortgage. 

PRIME DEBT CANDIDATE
Someone who has great credentials (job, salary, savings, credit score etc.)

SUB PRIME CANDIDATE
Someone who has compromised credentials (job, salary, savings, credit score etc.)

COMMUNITY RIA
Government mortgage banks (Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac) were forced to issue sub prime debt.

EARLY CAUSES PART 2
Financial services firms like Lehman Bros. issued CREDIT DEFAULT SWAPS (CDS). 
CDS says that I (Lehman) will insure your (Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac) debt. Essentially, this means if you (Fannie and Freddie) do not get your sub prime loans paid back, we will pay it back.

THEN CAUSES STEP 2...

MORTGAGE-BACK SECURITIES AKA SUB PRIME DEBT
Firms like Lehman turned all the pools of sub prime debt into securities by bundling them together. 
So sub prime Mortgages A,B, &amp; C were bundled together and sold to investors.

HOW WERE THEY SOLD TO INVESTORS
Security ratings firms like Moody&#039;s took all the SUB PRIME MORTGAGES, and assigned ratings to them in order of best to worst. The catch is that they&#039;re all &quot;bad.&quot; But if a sub prime candidate had a better job than another, his sub prime debt was rated better.
So now you have Triple A rated sub prime debt.
Trading was so voluminous that investors and trading firms weren&#039;t paying attention or were just too naive or greedy.

CAUSES STEP 3
Rumors start to swirl about Lehman being on the verge of going broke. No one knew why. Then reports said that they had tremendous exposure to these MORTGAGE BACKED SECURITIES and CREDIT DEFAULT SWAPS (insurance on the toxic debt).

CAUSES STEP 4
Investors begins selling their securities in sub prime debt.
But investors can not be paid back because the number of investors asking for their money equates to more money than the holders of the issuers of the securities (banks such as fannie and freddie, lehman) have.

FINAL STAGES
More and more banks reveal they are holding sub prime debt -- billions of dollars worth.

LEHMAN IS ALLOWED TO FAIL

CREDIT DRIES UP 
People can not buy cars on credit (loans). 
Credit cards begin capping credit lines for existing card holders.

REAL ESTATE CRASHES
No demand for houses because sub prime candidates can&#039;t get loans.
House prices drop. (The market corrects itself).

TREASURY DEPT SUGGESTS BAILOUT OF BANKS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EARLY CAUSES PART 1<br />
Community Reinvestment Act passed in &#8217;92 by Clinton (though Bush I would have also passed it).<br />
This was a mandate for government mortgage creditors to make it easier for middle and low income families to receive a mortgage. </p>
<p>PRIME DEBT CANDIDATE<br />
Someone who has great credentials (job, salary, savings, credit score etc.)</p>
<p>SUB PRIME CANDIDATE<br />
Someone who has compromised credentials (job, salary, savings, credit score etc.)</p>
<p>COMMUNITY RIA<br />
Government mortgage banks (Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac) were forced to issue sub prime debt.</p>
<p>EARLY CAUSES PART 2<br />
Financial services firms like Lehman Bros. issued CREDIT DEFAULT SWAPS (CDS).<br />
CDS says that I (Lehman) will insure your (Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac) debt. Essentially, this means if you (Fannie and Freddie) do not get your sub prime loans paid back, we will pay it back.</p>
<p>THEN CAUSES STEP 2&#8230;</p>
<p>MORTGAGE-BACK SECURITIES AKA SUB PRIME DEBT<br />
Firms like Lehman turned all the pools of sub prime debt into securities by bundling them together.<br />
So sub prime Mortgages A,B, &amp; C were bundled together and sold to investors.</p>
<p>HOW WERE THEY SOLD TO INVESTORS<br />
Security ratings firms like Moody&#8217;s took all the SUB PRIME MORTGAGES, and assigned ratings to them in order of best to worst. The catch is that they&#8217;re all &#8220;bad.&#8221; But if a sub prime candidate had a better job than another, his sub prime debt was rated better.<br />
So now you have Triple A rated sub prime debt.<br />
Trading was so voluminous that investors and trading firms weren&#8217;t paying attention or were just too naive or greedy.</p>
<p>CAUSES STEP 3<br />
Rumors start to swirl about Lehman being on the verge of going broke. No one knew why. Then reports said that they had tremendous exposure to these MORTGAGE BACKED SECURITIES and CREDIT DEFAULT SWAPS (insurance on the toxic debt).</p>
<p>CAUSES STEP 4<br />
Investors begins selling their securities in sub prime debt.<br />
But investors can not be paid back because the number of investors asking for their money equates to more money than the holders of the issuers of the securities (banks such as fannie and freddie, lehman) have.</p>
<p>FINAL STAGES<br />
More and more banks reveal they are holding sub prime debt &#8212; billions of dollars worth.</p>
<p>LEHMAN IS ALLOWED TO FAIL</p>
<p>CREDIT DRIES UP<br />
People can not buy cars on credit (loans).<br />
Credit cards begin capping credit lines for existing card holders.</p>
<p>REAL ESTATE CRASHES<br />
No demand for houses because sub prime candidates can&#8217;t get loans.<br />
House prices drop. (The market corrects itself).</p>
<p>TREASURY DEPT SUGGESTS BAILOUT OF BANKS.</p>
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		<title>By: Tariq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tariq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I beleive that our government is responsible for this whole mess. We never regulated our banks. There were just no regulation. I&#039;m sure you guys know that some of the TARP Funds were used by bankers to pay bonuses as well. I think, it&#039;s going to get worse before it gets better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beleive that our government is responsible for this whole mess. We never regulated our banks. There were just no regulation. I&#8217;m sure you guys know that some of the TARP Funds were used by bankers to pay bonuses as well. I think, it&#8217;s going to get worse before it gets better.</p>
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		<title>By: RandomPete</title>
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		<dc:creator>RandomPete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fuck it, is all i have to say, and to make the most of things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fuck it, is all i have to say, and to make the most of things.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see it now these idiots sitting at a round table and one comes up with an idea.  I know what we can do and the American People will fall for it.  Lets come up with a housing market where people can place up their mortgage and keep their home.  Lets see that is what happened to Tenn Care it took one Governor to sit it up and another to come into office and take it away from those Tennesseans who needed desperate health care.  This one man said I can not afford my meds without this Tenn Care.  Did you know that there were people paying into this insurance.

Department Of Human Services
In order to be on Tenn Care you have to live the life of poverty to be placed on it.  
It is like I was told when we allow the Federal Government to take care of these things what usually happens they screw it up.
Now take the mother with 14 kids she will be on welfare and who has to help her raise her kids the American Taxpayer.  
Now what is Obama going to do when all the working class citizens with jobs loose them and we are out on the streets because and we can not pay his taxes.  The working class citizen is what keeps the economy going.  I guess he plans on bringing in people from foreign Countries in so they wont have to pay them minimum wage to take our jobs, and businesses away from us.  
Did you know it is the middle man who gets hit the hardest and the small businesses.  
When I get to Social Security age their may not be anything left it in for me to have on my own retirement.  For I have been told that when these foreigners are sent home the money I pay through FICA goes with them.  The businesses match your Social Security they take out of each of our paychecks that is way it is called quarterly taxes.
Our Government is taxing the American People to death.  Our ancestors came over just to get away from the King&#039;s Taxes and did you know that in the Constitution Of The United States we are not to be taxed.  But how can you get anyone to stand together and let our Government know as American Citizens we are getting tired of this.  Obama is now trying to get it where the voters of this Country has no say in how the Government treats us.  If it were up to Obama and Clinton these are the Freedoms that will be taken from us.
1.  Freedom of Speech
2.  Freedom to bear arms and form a militia
3.  Freedom of Religion
Did you know that I looked in my daughters history book and not all the Freedoms were listed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see it now these idiots sitting at a round table and one comes up with an idea.  I know what we can do and the American People will fall for it.  Lets come up with a housing market where people can place up their mortgage and keep their home.  Lets see that is what happened to Tenn Care it took one Governor to sit it up and another to come into office and take it away from those Tennesseans who needed desperate health care.  This one man said I can not afford my meds without this Tenn Care.  Did you know that there were people paying into this insurance.</p>
<p>Department Of Human Services<br />
In order to be on Tenn Care you have to live the life of poverty to be placed on it.<br />
It is like I was told when we allow the Federal Government to take care of these things what usually happens they screw it up.<br />
Now take the mother with 14 kids she will be on welfare and who has to help her raise her kids the American Taxpayer.<br />
Now what is Obama going to do when all the working class citizens with jobs loose them and we are out on the streets because and we can not pay his taxes.  The working class citizen is what keeps the economy going.  I guess he plans on bringing in people from foreign Countries in so they wont have to pay them minimum wage to take our jobs, and businesses away from us.<br />
Did you know it is the middle man who gets hit the hardest and the small businesses.<br />
When I get to Social Security age their may not be anything left it in for me to have on my own retirement.  For I have been told that when these foreigners are sent home the money I pay through FICA goes with them.  The businesses match your Social Security they take out of each of our paychecks that is way it is called quarterly taxes.<br />
Our Government is taxing the American People to death.  Our ancestors came over just to get away from the King&#8217;s Taxes and did you know that in the Constitution Of The United States we are not to be taxed.  But how can you get anyone to stand together and let our Government know as American Citizens we are getting tired of this.  Obama is now trying to get it where the voters of this Country has no say in how the Government treats us.  If it were up to Obama and Clinton these are the Freedoms that will be taken from us.<br />
1.  Freedom of Speech<br />
2.  Freedom to bear arms and form a militia<br />
3.  Freedom of Religion<br />
Did you know that I looked in my daughters history book and not all the Freedoms were listed.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now the Governor of the State Of Tennessee wants to add on the Governor&#039;s Mansion than to help us Tennesseeans with keeping our jobs.  Did you know the Sherrif&#039;s of old were outlaws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now the Governor of the State Of Tennessee wants to add on the Governor&#8217;s Mansion than to help us Tennesseeans with keeping our jobs.  Did you know the Sherrif&#8217;s of old were outlaws.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Their is a con artist in everything!  Think about it have you ever read their Pork Report they take better care of their golf courses and where in the hell do they come up with all that money to bail these people out when we have homeless on the streets just trying to make one day to the next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their is a con artist in everything!  Think about it have you ever read their Pork Report they take better care of their golf courses and where in the hell do they come up with all that money to bail these people out when we have homeless on the streets just trying to make one day to the next.</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
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		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK - It is obviously a sore point with me - sorry about that.  I do think that it will get better, but it will take a long time and we all need to pull our heads out of the sand - or wherever it may be stuck - and get a clue or two.  It DOES matter and it SHOULD matter to all of us.  I have been to a banana republic and I don&#039;t want to live in one.  This is a really great place to live - I think we just need to take a little more care than usual to keep it that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK &#8211; It is obviously a sore point with me &#8211; sorry about that.  I do think that it will get better, but it will take a long time and we all need to pull our heads out of the sand &#8211; or wherever it may be stuck &#8211; and get a clue or two.  It DOES matter and it SHOULD matter to all of us.  I have been to a banana republic and I don&#8217;t want to live in one.  This is a really great place to live &#8211; I think we just need to take a little more care than usual to keep it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
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		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is plenty of blame to go around.  This is not about one president or party nor about Wall Street and whoever else may look for the deed.  It&#039;s really about finding the proper balance for the times in which we live.  What works well in one era may not be the best solution in another one.  We can not pretend that a free society means that you can do whatever you want.  

We talk about de-regulation of various industries which sounds good from a less-government standpoint.  But then you have the lenders who made loans to people who would never have made it through the normal financial qualification process...at least for the amount that they were approved for.  They call it &quot;creative financing&quot; and talk about it as finding ways for more people to achieve the American dream of home ownership.  Now we&#039;re having to bail them out?  No, I say re-finance them at a more reasonable fixed rate and extend their mortgages for an appropriate length so that they can pay off their loan in their lifetime - rather than re-possess it and never get a proper return on the loan.  

The jerks who made those types of loans by inflating people&#039;s reported incomes should lose their jobs because they showed poor judgment in the things that they were supposed to be good at - then some of the banks that got bailout money paid &quot;incentives&quot; to those same stupid people to RETAIN them!  I&#039;m sure that many of the people who are faced with losing their homes could do a far better job of following a standard financial review process and ensuring that banks and other mortgage holders make loans for amounts that correspond to a person&#039;s actual income and not some pie-in-the-sky fantasy figure.  That would do a lot to insure the financial stability of those businesses and create shareholder value for the stockholders - instead of profits swirling the toilet bowl.

Then you have all of those check cashing places where they essentially loan you money against your future paycheck at some ridiculously exorbitant interest rate.  They can charge rates that far exceed any established lending institution and some would say exceed the legal definition of &quot;usury.&quot;  I do not believe that short term loan rates of this kind should be allowed to exceed what is allowed in other lending institutions.  It takes advantage of the poor and less educated in society.  And yes, everyone knows someone who has used it properly and it saved them just in time but it&#039;s like an iceberg:  for every positive story that you see, there is another really shitty one below the surface where people continue to borrow until finally the entire check is used up by the interest paid.  One might be far better off borrowing from a loan shark or the mob.

When you see this kind of business popping up, it&#039;s just another sign of so-called &quot;creative financing&quot; under the guise of capitalism that is nothing more than screwing less financially sophisticated people.  It is extending credit to people who can not afford the usual path to establishing credit.  It&#039;s a part of the climate of instant gratification that requires that we will get what we want right now, no matter what.  

Well, here&#039;s the result: financial failures galore, people first losing their homes and then their jobs, but Bernie Madoff is still walking around on house arrest?  Three people have already committed suicide over the losses that their funds incurred with him, no doubt with more to follow.  Then federal investigators say that they have found NO record that the guy ever bought ANY stocks with their money and they have gone back as far as 1993!  Even the Simon Wiesenthal Foundation invested with that prick and came up with a big fat zero.  Incorporation laws protect personal assets but fraud-meisters and &quot;ponzi&quot; schemers should have all of their personal assets forfeited to the people that they screwed, including their offshore and Swiss bank accounts.  We can not continue to reward people like that by not jailing them.  If it were you or me, we&#039;d be doing hard time without a cent to our names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is plenty of blame to go around.  This is not about one president or party nor about Wall Street and whoever else may look for the deed.  It&#8217;s really about finding the proper balance for the times in which we live.  What works well in one era may not be the best solution in another one.  We can not pretend that a free society means that you can do whatever you want.  </p>
<p>We talk about de-regulation of various industries which sounds good from a less-government standpoint.  But then you have the lenders who made loans to people who would never have made it through the normal financial qualification process&#8230;at least for the amount that they were approved for.  They call it &#8220;creative financing&#8221; and talk about it as finding ways for more people to achieve the American dream of home ownership.  Now we&#8217;re having to bail them out?  No, I say re-finance them at a more reasonable fixed rate and extend their mortgages for an appropriate length so that they can pay off their loan in their lifetime &#8211; rather than re-possess it and never get a proper return on the loan.  </p>
<p>The jerks who made those types of loans by inflating people&#8217;s reported incomes should lose their jobs because they showed poor judgment in the things that they were supposed to be good at &#8211; then some of the banks that got bailout money paid &#8220;incentives&#8221; to those same stupid people to RETAIN them!  I&#8217;m sure that many of the people who are faced with losing their homes could do a far better job of following a standard financial review process and ensuring that banks and other mortgage holders make loans for amounts that correspond to a person&#8217;s actual income and not some pie-in-the-sky fantasy figure.  That would do a lot to insure the financial stability of those businesses and create shareholder value for the stockholders &#8211; instead of profits swirling the toilet bowl.</p>
<p>Then you have all of those check cashing places where they essentially loan you money against your future paycheck at some ridiculously exorbitant interest rate.  They can charge rates that far exceed any established lending institution and some would say exceed the legal definition of &#8220;usury.&#8221;  I do not believe that short term loan rates of this kind should be allowed to exceed what is allowed in other lending institutions.  It takes advantage of the poor and less educated in society.  And yes, everyone knows someone who has used it properly and it saved them just in time but it&#8217;s like an iceberg:  for every positive story that you see, there is another really shitty one below the surface where people continue to borrow until finally the entire check is used up by the interest paid.  One might be far better off borrowing from a loan shark or the mob.</p>
<p>When you see this kind of business popping up, it&#8217;s just another sign of so-called &#8220;creative financing&#8221; under the guise of capitalism that is nothing more than screwing less financially sophisticated people.  It is extending credit to people who can not afford the usual path to establishing credit.  It&#8217;s a part of the climate of instant gratification that requires that we will get what we want right now, no matter what.  </p>
<p>Well, here&#8217;s the result: financial failures galore, people first losing their homes and then their jobs, but Bernie Madoff is still walking around on house arrest?  Three people have already committed suicide over the losses that their funds incurred with him, no doubt with more to follow.  Then federal investigators say that they have found NO record that the guy ever bought ANY stocks with their money and they have gone back as far as 1993!  Even the Simon Wiesenthal Foundation invested with that prick and came up with a big fat zero.  Incorporation laws protect personal assets but fraud-meisters and &#8220;ponzi&#8221; schemers should have all of their personal assets forfeited to the people that they screwed, including their offshore and Swiss bank accounts.  We can not continue to reward people like that by not jailing them.  If it were you or me, we&#8217;d be doing hard time without a cent to our names.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of caves did you know I wanted to build a house like those shown in the movies where they are secret taverns.  And bookshelves that move around man what a dream house.

Also David it is the children that I am concerned about more so.  Especially the ones who can not defend themselves.  You may say it is the mother in me.

It is hard on a woman when she gets an abortion did you know that some women died of this procedure or the doctor did something wrong and caused her where she could not have children anymore.  It effects some women mentally some cases some women heard their baby crying and wonder what it would be like if they let the child live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of caves did you know I wanted to build a house like those shown in the movies where they are secret taverns.  And bookshelves that move around man what a dream house.</p>
<p>Also David it is the children that I am concerned about more so.  Especially the ones who can not defend themselves.  You may say it is the mother in me.</p>
<p>It is hard on a woman when she gets an abortion did you know that some women died of this procedure or the doctor did something wrong and caused her where she could not have children anymore.  It effects some women mentally some cases some women heard their baby crying and wonder what it would be like if they let the child live.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like my dad said to me we must realize Obama is our President and what comes we will deal with for we have made it even during the roughest times in our family.  So do well with what you have and be thankful that natural clock gets you up in the morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like my dad said to me we must realize Obama is our President and what comes we will deal with for we have made it even during the roughest times in our family.  So do well with what you have and be thankful that natural clock gets you up in the morning.</p>
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